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  • #257483

    These are the correct JRR Tolkien quotes concerning evil’s lack of ability to create anything, for the record. The #Tolkien “quote” that is quite aptly being used everywhere in response to the abhorrent Amazon abortion is actually a paraphrase from TV Tropes.

    “The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don’t think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them; and if they are to live at all, they have to live like other living creatures.”
    – THE RETURN OF THE KING

    “For the Orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Ilúvatar; and naught that had life of its own, nor the semblance of life, could ever Melkor make since his rebellion in the Ainulindalë before the Beginning: so say the wise.”
    – THE SILMARILLION

    But quote or paraphrase, the criticism of Amazon’s twisted perversion of The Lord of the Rings is legitimate and the sentiment it expresses is 100 percent correct.

    The Rings Of Power Character Images – First Full Pictures & Story Analysis!

    Vanity Fair shares Amazon Prime’s Lord of The Rings: The Rings of Power Character images from the Second Age of Middle Earth.

    They share the story concept and the arrogance Amazon empowered two untested showrunners to replicate J.R. R. Tolkien’s masterpiece, talent and experience. In theirs words: “Can we come up with the novel Tolkien never wrote and do it as the mega-event series that could only happen now?”

    This is called Hubris!

    Big shock, it’s not about Lord of the Rings.

    It couldn’t be more obvious what happened. The production company had its own 2022 fantasy story they wanted to tell. Basically, nothing but a rip-off of Game of Thrones.

    But it is 2022. They have to make it Woke AF because everyone in Hollywood is terrified of being seen as not Woke. At the moment it’s an instant career ender especially if you are white.

    And they knew that their story would never sell in 10,000 years.

    Not under it’s own name anyway.

    So they followed the standard procedure and bought up a name they could slap on it even though that franchise didn’t resemble the story they wanted to tell in the least. They knew perfectly well there is always a ton of middle-aged Gamma Males that will sell out the thing they loved at the drop of a hat for just a little ego inflation. Throw in some Twitter Stans that are happy to work for free and few d-list journos at (lol)Kotaku and they are in business.

    It won’t do well but they already know that. Their objective at this point is to blame their inevitable failure on white supremacists which they have already done.

    The important thing to remember about this POS is that it was never meant to be Tolkein. They are just stealing his name for their Game of Thrones fan fiction.

    #253020

    Just for laughs. Thought Roas might get a chuckle.

    full article at link. ONly posting intro and end.

    https://winteriscoming.net/2022/01/02/why-the-wheel-of-time-succeeds-as-an-adaptation-and-the-witcher-fails/

    Not all adaptations are created equal. For every Game of Thrones, which translated its source material fairly faithfully (until it ran out), there are legions of adaptations like The Golden Compass or The Legend of Earthsea, where the soul of the original work has been sucked out, not to mention groan-worthy cash grabs like The Hobbit trilogy.

    Since the success of HBO’s fantasy phenomenon, we’ve seen a swell of companies adapting fantasy and science fiction stories that they might never have had the daring to before. At the end of 2021, two big ones dominated the conversation: Amazon’s The Wheel of Time, based on the 15-book series by Robert Jordan and Brandon Sanderson; and the second season of Netflix’s The Witcher, based on the bestselling short stories and novels by Andrzej Sapkowski. While both adaptations include large changes from their respective source books, one managed it far more successfully. We’re here today to discuss why.

    A note before we begin: Opinions and tastes are subjective, especially with reviews like this. Both of these shows have done things that some fans have liked and others have loathed. I’m not here to try and convince you that you should or shouldn’t like a show; enjoy what you enjoy. What I am going to do is dissect how these shows are in conversation with their source material.

    With that out of the way, let’s talk about why The Wheel of Time succeeds as an adaptation while The Witcher fails. Of course, you should be warned that there will be SPOILERS for both shows as well as their respective book series below.

    Blight and cutting out two of the Forsaken. But again, they were mostly understandable since the show is playing up the ensemble nature of the story. The first book, The Eye of the World, focuses extremely heavily on Rand’s point of view, while the rest of the series is told from many perspectives. The show made the conscious decision to be an ensemble piece from the get-go, to give viewers a more honest idea of what to expect from the show overall.

    In conclusion, it feels an awful lot like the changes and choices made by The Wheel of Time team were done with a lot of care and reverence for the source material. There was never a feeling that they were changing things for the hell of it, but because they were doing the best they could with the medium in which they were working.

    Sometimes, the changes even ended up working out better for the story, as with the mystery over who the Dragon Reborn was. This was something the show played way up, and it worked really well. In the books it’s far more obvious that it’s Rand, since we spent more time with him. Here, first-time viewers could plausibly be in suspense.

    There’s still a sense that The Wheel of Time is finding its footing…but to my mind it has never been a question that the show is trying really hard to do its best by Robert Jordan’s story.

    #251136

    In reply to: Telltale

    Tales from the Borderlands is the best one I played.

    Then Walking Dead, Batman and Game of Thrones.

    #249828

    https://people.com/tv/wheel-of-time-author-on-amazon-adaptation-series-exclusive/

     

    Author Brandon Sanderson says he’s been waiting for The Wheel of Time book series to be adapted for a “long time.”
    Now, Sanderson’s hope has finally been realized with Friday’s premiere of the Amazon Prime Video eponymous TV series, created by Rafe Judkins and starring Rosamund Pike. The first three episodes are available now.
    Fans of the epic fantasy have also been (im)patiently waiting since the first book, The Eye of the World by Robert Jordan, was published in 1990. The series begins with Moiraine Damodred (played by Pike in the show) and Lan Mandragoran (Daniel Henney) taking a group of five young people on a quest after their village is attacked, in a world threatened by the Dark One. Moiraine believes one of them is the Dragon Reborn, the person destined to save the world — but also break it.

    After Jordan’s death at age 58 in 2007, Sanderson was asked to finish the 14-volume series, which he did in 2013. (Sanderson says being asked to complete the series was both exciting and “terrifying.” “At the time, this was the biggest fantasy series of our time,” he says. “I knew there were millions of fans out there and I was asked to become essentially their stepdad.”)
    The first book alone is more than 700 pages long. By the end of the series, there are a few dozen main characters. But the shear size of the saga hasn’t scared off fans, and Sanderson describes it as “halfway between Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones” because it’s “half political intrigue, half quest fantasy.” So far, more than 90 million books in the series have sold.

    “The big catch-22 of fantasy is people go to the fantasy section for the world building. But they don’t stay for the world building. World building can only do so much,” continues Sanderson, who began reading the series when he was 15 and reread each book before the newest edition in the series was released. “Thirty something years ago, when I picked up The Eye of the World myself … it had the sense of adventure conveyed on the cover. But the reason I read 11 of those books and eventually agreed to finish the series was because I fell in love with the characters.”
    Sanderson is a producer on the show and says he’s spent most of his time reading the script and discussing it with Judkins. He thinks the script is “fantastic” and really likes the cast and crew — including Pike. “She’s great,” he says. “She is both terrifying and inspiring at the same time. Which is exactly what Moiraine should be.”
    The Wheel of Time adaptation has gotten a fair amount of attention due to its massive budget. For the first season, Amazon reportedly spent $10 million per episode, while the first episodes of Game of Thrones cost an eyebrow-raising $6 million at the time, according to GQ. Sanderson believes it’s worth it.

    We knew if Wheel of Time was going to be done right, it would need this kind of budget,” he says. “This is not a series you can just go film in the woods. The setting of the Wheel of Time, it is a world that basically suffered the apocalypse 1,000 years ago and barely survived. Society collapsed and [was] rebuilt over 1,000 years.”
    Sanderson explains that time isn’t linear in the book series, and is instead fashioned like a “wheel.” “People are given second and third and fourth chances,” he says. “You can be reborn and you can try again.”
    Case in point: the Dragon. One thousand years ago, the Dragon, then known as Lews Therin Telamon, saved the world, but at great cost.
    “The book opens 1,000 years later. This soul is going to get another chance, this person that is the Dragon, to do it again, but maybe do it right this time,” Sanderson says. “And you don’t know who it is. You don’t know how it’s going to play out. But you know that they kind of failed once and this is their second chance. One of the big questions of the series is: Who is the Dragon? Who is the Dragon Reborn? And what is their story going to be?”

    When Lews Therin Telamon was alive, both men and women could use magic, known as the One Power. Ten centuries later, women are the only ones who can wield it without going insane.
    “There’s this power dynamic where a lot of the rulers and a lot of the people in power — because of the magic — are women,” says Sanderson. “This creates a very interesting, different world from our own. It is treated very delicately, at least in the books, for the time. It was an extremely progressive series.”
    Moiraine is one of these women who can “channel” the One Power. She’s part of a powerful order called the Aes Sedai, which is searching for the Dragon, the reincarnation of Lews Therin Telamon, in order to save the world from the Dark One.

    In the beginning of the book series, readers “aren’t sure why Moiraine is there hunting the Dragon Reborn,” says Sanderson.
    “Moiraine walking that line between noble threat, but still threat, and mentor figure, is just one of the huge selling points of the series,” he says. “She is probably the singular most interesting character in the entire series because it’s not cut and dry. She keeps her motivations close to her heart — and they are complicated. She is the driving force behind everything happening in this series. And that’s the question: Is Moiraine here to help us or hurt us?”
    The young people who follow her from their village of Emond’s Field — Rand al’Thor, Egwene al’Vere, Perrin Aybara, Nynaeve al’Meara and Matrim Cauthon — each will have their own battles to face throughout their long journey.

    One of them hates the outside world and does not want anything to do with it. She is only there to try to get her friends all back safe, home, where they belong,” says Sanderson. “Others are finding this a wild adventure, everything they dreamed. Others are terrified. Others don’t know what to think.”
    “And that dynamic kind of represents the way that all of us feel growing up, right?” he continues. “It’s an adventure, it’s excitement, but home is safe. And yet, we know we can never quite go home again.”
    The first three episodes of The Wheel of Time are available to stream on Amazon Prime Video.

     

     

     

     

     

    #248453

    In reply to: Eternals

    After when Drinker showed that picture of Cersi from ‘Game of Thrones’ I spent the rest of the video laughing very hard and not paying attention to the rest of it as a result lol.

    Also…I’m confused when they’re saying that ‘It has the first sex scene in an MCU film!’ because I’m pretty sure there was one in the first Iron Man film even though it’s brief. If this is Disney trying to pretend that Phase One doesn’t exist then I’m NOT happy with them!

    A bit off topic here but what this lady says also applies to all forms of media and not just games:

    https://youtu.be/2CKPr2JA8Zg

    I agree with her on this. I don’t mind diversity and representation when it’s NOT forced down my throat. I’d LOVE to see more female superheroes on the screen but not to the point where they’re gender-swapping well known male characters! I’ll also have you know that one of my favourite X-Men characters is Storm; a black female superhero!

    #247369

    In reply to:

    It’s a sign of maturity and normal. It’s like going from comics to novels to textbooks. Geeks go from geekin out about comics to geeking out over politics because LOTR and Game of Thrones is just allegory for the powerful houses and families that rule our regions. We go from geeking out over Star Wars to geeking out over anti-gravity or technology or economics. Your post, once again, lands on us all.

    #246666

    I have to admit that I’ve been curious about this after all the hype around it. So much so that I ended up getting the book through Amazon kindle since I’m trying to save cupboard space as I’m quite the bookworm *cupboards breathe sigh of relief* ! I’ve heard it’s supposed to be a challenge to read which is fine as I like a good reading challenge. Then again, I’ve survived reading ‘Game of Thrones’ which was challenging in some areas itself so this should be a desert breeze for me lol.

    #243190

    Why I’m Not Excited About House of The Dragon (New Game of Thrones Prequel)
    Quinn’s Ideas

    #242703

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    #241859

    Can Foundation Be The Next Game of Thrones? (Apple TV+)
    Nerd Cookies
    A very special video collaboration with Stephen from the Fantology Podcast & YouTube channel discussing the Foundation novels themselves and the upcoming series adaptation and how it compares to the smash hit Game of Thrones.

    was supposed to be a syfy version of the Fall of Rome

    #240250

    Gary just said on his “Car Vid-EE-OH!” that they record for views during a live stream was around 24K, when Gary and Doomcock was reviewing some Game of Thrones episode.

    As for the AJ’s FNT:

    178,846 views AND 19k LIKES

    as of this posting.

    #239380

    Jonathan Hickman’s (X-Men: Inferno) SECRET WARS Is Marvel & DC Comics Best Event (Game Of Thrones)

    Keeps It Real Comics

    Jonanthan Hickman’s Secret Wars will go down as the best Event ever from Marvel and DC Comics.

    There’s only one comic that comes close it.

    This video just explains the premise.

    #237280

    In reply to:

    You know, I was never really into Seinfeld or Friends or Game of Thrones, but watching these people it kind of the feeling that views of those programs get. Just seeing people in life trying to make, but real people, instead of celebrities. I almost feel like those shows led to “Reality TV” which led to what we have now, which is something like TikTok, so if people have a talent or are insatiable fame whores, they have the cams, tech and ability to do it.

    I actually enjoy just watching these people hang out.

    #235895

    @Legatus_Legionis

    I’ve heard of some of Lindsey’s pieces before and she’s very good. Especially that ‘Game of Thrones’ and ‘The Avengers Theme’ mash-up that she did a while back😍. I’m a huge fan of classical music (thanks to Disney’s ‘Fantasia’ which is a fantastic film if no-one hasn’t watched it yet and is the best from the Classic Disney era of the 40’s) and I love it when pop goes classical as sometimes the piece turns out a thousand times better than the original version.

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 8 months ago by DragonLady.
    #234859

    In reply to: Non woke fantasy

    New member here!  Great subject.  I found it because I was at a bookstore last night, and felt a deep sadness while leaving empty-handed.  I used to go browse, looking for something new to read, and leave with the most interesting thing I could find.  It’s how I “discovered” Leviathan Wakes (way before the Expanse was ever a series), The Black Company (a little dark but amazing series), Game of Thrones waaaay back in the day when only the first two books had been released, among many others.  When I was a kid I couldn’t wait for my mom to take me to the used book store. was always a highlight for me.

    As I sat looking through all the titles last night, I had to then check reviews on my phone for each one that interested me, to see whether or not it was woke.  And like I said, I left with nothing.  That depressed me.  What depressed me even more, is when I once again consulted the internet and searched for “non-woke fantasy and scifi”, only 3 or 4 links were useful.  On the entire internet?  Really?

    The link to this thread was at the top, so good for you ladies and gentlemen!

    I’d like to acknowledge and agree with many of the authors listed: Jordan, Eddings, Goodkind, Alexander, Tolkien, Brooks, Aspirin, Anthony, Sanderson, Erickson.

    LoTR is my favorite fantasy series of all time, and IMO the best movie/TV adaptation of a fantasy series by far.  I never finished WoT, but I plan to.  SoT is hit or miss for me but has some highlights.  The original Shannara trilogy is one of my all-time favorites.  Xanth, the Myth series, Belgariad, Prydain, all classics.  The Cosmere is probably the best fantasy being written today, at least that I’ve read.

    The Malazan series by Erickson would be my favorite if not for LoTR.  Amazing world-building, huge cast of characters, and I actually like series that are NOT easy to get into.  Sometimes I don’t want my hand held.  Malazan is like that, you will read something in book 4, that clarifies something in book 1; there are a multitude of new characters introduced in every entry, and a few times the next completely pivots away from what you thought was the “main story”, but it is always excellent.  If you have not read Malazan, I highly highly highly recommend it.  Though to be honest, of the people in my life who I have enticed to read it, none have gotten past the first one.  It’s not quite Gene Wolfe-type challenging, but it’s one of the more difficult series to get into.

    Oh there is another one: Gene Wolfe’s Book of the New Sun is fantastic.  It is INCREDIBLY complex and symbolic, there are entire books and podcasts dedicated to “decrypting” it.  I would say it’s a “must read” for any fan of fantasy

    Another excellent series is Lyonesse by Jack Vance.  He is principally a science fiction writer, in fact one of the lesser known but more influential of all time, and this is his only fantasy series, but it is wonderful.

    I’ve also got to mention the Witcher series.  I’m sure many have played the games, and/or seen the series, but of course neither are as good as the books.

    I’m not going to talk about science fiction here, I think it deserves it’s own thread.

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 8 months ago by tizl.
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