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  • I have been a Star Wars fan since 1977. I was 4. I saw it 10 times in the theatre (my mom was poor and freshly divorced so it was all she could afford to do to make me happy and have something to do, knowing I loved it so much) and when that star destroyer came on screen chasing the rebel blockade runner it forever changed my life. When Vader came on screen I knew what I wanted to be when I grow up. A Sith! lol. I have a collection that more than fills a room. I have read over 100 of the books, now called “Legends”. Piles of the comics, etc. I am a fan through and through. Heck, I even did a death metal album all about The Sith, which was never released sadly. I started writing my own Star Wars book too once. So, when I have an opinion on SW, I know my stuff.

    I watch all these shows, for free, through “other means”. I refuse to give Disney my money. That being said….

    Between all the content creators and news sites, they have it MORE than covered talking about it. Covered to the point of nausea for me. I can’t go to my Youtube feed without it being everywhere. No joke. I’m really tired of it. They did the same thing with the Helldivers 2 drama, and the Stellar Blade drama.

    I personally am sick of seeing the continual on and on and on and on video after video after video of the same things being said over and over again about the show. Yes, I know, the show isn’t very good. The witches are stupid and them calling the force “the thread” is just pointless and nonsensical, having the name of Sol from a Korean actor is really stupid, the witch chant in the ceremony was beyond cringe, Rebecca Henderson as Vernestra Rwoh is stiff and wooden, yadda yadda. I KNOW. But does every single content creator need to say the same thing and make video after video about it? Seriously. I get sick of this.

    So, I am going to say MY opinion. I don’t think the show is as bad as everyone is letting on. Yes, there is cringe, there is bad dialogue, and there is some really stupid shit. But, I think the actor Lee Jung-jae does a good job and portrays emotion well. I think the scene where little Osha admits to her “mother” that she wants to be a Jedi knowing it would take her away from everyone forever was rather touching. I think the color grading and imagery is well done.

    So, would it be a crime for some of these content creators to say some of the positive things? POSITIVE!!! You know, that thing humans might need in this fallen world? POSITIVITY! Because the show is not 100% horrible. Nothing is. Or is it more important to get clicks and views to milk it for content cash? Another thing I am tired of. Last weeks FNT had them screen grabbing an entire episode and making fun of it where I had to turn it off since I got sick of it. You could do that with ANY show frankly, but clearly they wanted to milk it dry for The Acolyte. Sure, it’s funny for a moment or a few scenes to do that, but it dragged on and on and was into the stupid territory, having me turn it off.

    I recently went through and re-watched every single Star Wars show that has been on Disney+.  All seasons of Mando, Book of Boba Fett, Obi Wan, Ahsoka, and Andor. You know what? I actually enjoyed Book of Fett more the second time, yes, it still has some crap, but it was better on my second viewing. As was Ahsoka. As was season 3 of Mando, I enjoyed it more this time. Obi Wan just has no hope with that show sadly. And I flat out love Andor.

    My point is, there is some good in the bad, and sometimes things aren’t as bad as they are made out to be for clicks and views. We need to inject some positivity into things and not focus on all the negativity.

    I dare all these content creators to once per week make a video with something positive, something they enjoy, something good. We’ll all be better for it. 

    This news has been going around for a few days now and it is annoying the hell out of me because the second I read/heard it I knew it was a lie for one simple reason. They are not mentioning the budget of all the movies and tv shows which also goes against that claimed profit.

    Here is an article for reference in the Disney claims that they made an 8 billion profit off Star Wars so far. It is a LIE!

    https://www.cbr.com/disneys-huge-star-wars-profits-revealed/

    Lucasfilm was purchased for $4.05 billion. Disney actually says it was a 12 million profit, but the $4.05 billion cost to purchase Lucasfilm is removed to make it 8 billion profit. So, let’s use that that logic shall we? They are failing to mention the budget of each movie and tv show, and how much that is combined to be removed from that profit margin.

    So, here are the (sometimes estimated) budget costs of each tv show and movie so far:

    Movies

    The Force Awakens – $447 million budget

    The Last Jedi – $300 million budget

    The Rise of Palpatine – $416 million budget

    Rogue One – $232 million budget

    Solo: A Unwanted Star Wars Story – $271 million

    TV Shows

    Obi Wan – $90 million budget

    Ahsoka – $100 million budget

    The Book of Boba Fett – $105 million budget

    Andor – $250 million budget

    The Clone Wars Seasons 7 – Unknown

    Tales of the Jedi – Unknown

    Star Wars Visions Season 1 and 2 – Unknown

    The Mandalorian – $360 million budget (all 3 seasons combined)

    (Upcoming shows that are already filmed and nearly done so count towards this)

    The Acolyte – $170 million budget

    Skeleton Crew – $136 million budget

    Andor Season Two – Unknown

    But wait, there is more. One thing people forget is that Indiana Jones is ALSO Lucasfilm. And we had Dial of Destiny didn’t we?

    Indian Jones and the Dial of Destiny – $295 million budget

    Ohh, but there is one more. Willow. Yes, the Willow tv series that you can’t even watch anymore. That is also a Lucasfilm production.

    Willow tv show – $105.9 budget.

    Add all this up and you have 3.4 billion estimated budget costs across all productions. We don’t know the budget of four of these and there is also other fee’s and advertisement, etc. So, I am going to be very generous and say 3.4 billion in budget for everything. That means the claimed 8 billion in profit goes down to 4.6 billion in profit.  And, again, that is being generous. It’s realistically probably closer to 4. Disney spent 4.05 billion to buy Lucasfilm and has only made less than 4.6 billion in profit from it after all budgets and everything said and done.

    Disney is lying. As are all the articles and news about it.

    End of Line.

     

     

    #314200

    I’m going to go with Ashoka Tano. Ahsoka Tano, the beloved former Padawan of Anakin Skywalker, has become an iconic character in the Star Wars universe, transcending her animated origins.

    From her debut in “Star Wars: The Clone Wars” to her pivotal role in “Star Wars Rebels,” Ahsoka exemplifies resilience, wisdom, and a profound connection to the Force. Her journey from a young and brash apprentice to a seasoned and independent Force user captivates fans, showcasing her strength and determination amid the turmoil of the galaxy.

    The addition of a custom lightsaber further underscores Ahsoka’s evolution. Crafted to reflect her unique combat style and dual-wielding prowess, the custom lightsabers, with their distinctive white blades, symbolize her divergence from traditional Jedi norms and her forging of a path guided by her own principles.

    Ahsoka Tano’s narrative and the custom lightsaber stand as testaments to individuality, growth, and the enduring spirit of the Force, making her a cherished figure in the Star Wars legacy.

    #297432

    Ya, there have been rumors of KK’s removal for years, and she is still there. I got sick of hearing every few weeks an new rumor of her being fired, or removed, or quitting, etc. It got ridiculous. The new final rumor is that she will step-down after Indy 5 comes out. We can hope so. But, will it really change anything? Disney is hell bent on being woke and promoting identity politics. So, I seriously doubt any new leadership will change much for us fans getting better Star Wars, or more of what we want.

    I greatly enjoyed Andor, a lot. I have enjoyed Mando up until this new season where it has fallen way off the quality map. The writing has been bad and the story is going nowhere fast. Especially this last episode, it was absolutely horrible. Jack Black, Lizzo, and Christopher Lloyd. WHY? Utterly pointless characters forcing Mando to do a side quest, on a side quest. They also had Grogu being “knighted”…but isn’t that an EARTH custom? Why is that in a Star Wars show? The last 5 min were awesome, but the rest of the episode was complete garbage. Right up there with Picard Season 1 and 2. It was just freakin’ horrible. This new season is just FULL of filler pointless nonsense that goes nowhere. The plot has taken 6 episodes to get anywhere and supposedly the last two episodes of the season will be bangers. So, why have 8 episodes then? What exactly is the point in making 75% of your season filler? Make it 4 episodes and make them all good, and MAKE THEM LONGER THAN 30 freakin’ MIN with 5 min of stuff that actually matters!!! Anyway….

    The Ahsoka trailer is cool, even more so the Extended trailer you can only find from a cell phone leak of it. I have anticipation for that, partly because Ahsoka is one of my fav characters in all of Star Wars. I loved Clone Wars and Rebels. And dear god did they NAIL the character Sabine in who they chose to play her. If there is anything announced or shown that I think will be good, it is Ahsoka.

    Acolyte. Ya. So much bad vibes because of WHO is making that show, that being a feminist who worked for Harvey Weinstein. I mean, the footage I saw (leaked) seemed interesting, but I don’t have much hope at all for that one.

    As far as all the other announcements. Ya, we’ll see if any of them actually get to production (well, I am sure the Dave Filoni  movie will). I don’t care about Rey, and especially the ACTIVIST woman who will the direct the movie.

    From what I have noticed in all of this is that everything seems VERY female centric now. And, I don’t find that a positive. Any men in stuff are bad guys. Thrawn, the bad guy in the Ahsoka trailer, etc. Mando is almost a side kick on his own show now.

    #276128

    I have Prime. I’ll watch for “free” just to see how bad it ends up being. A co-worker was saying how excited she was about this show, and she asked me about it, and I said I have no interest in it. She was perplexed, knowing I am a nerd. I simply said they aren’t following Tolken’s characters and stories and are changing races and genders to inject their politics in a place where it doesn’t belong. I don’t support that.

    She said her son and husband binge watched Obi Wan, they loved it, and asked if I watched it. I said I hated it. :)

    At least her and I can talk about our love for Ahsoka.

    Some of us are able to use critical thinking and not just like something because it is Star Wars or LOTR.

    #254304

    I am not a Theme Parks person, and frankly, the Star Wars park looks like a glorified shopping mall to me. I have zero interest in it, especially with their prices. I personally have never been to Disneyland or any parks. I really just have no interest in spending all that money in them. I have been here a few times though : Enchanted Forest https://www.enchantedforest.com

    I liked The Mandalorian, Bad Batch, The Clone Wars Season 7, and Rogue One. Solo was meh, a rather pointless movie no one wanted. The sequel trilogy was flat out bad, unless you like CGI porn of some of the characters, then it’s good. lol. I have absolutely ZERO interest in anything High Republic. Boba Fett is disappointing, and a little sad frankly because this just is NOT Boba Fett. While I did enjoy some of the Tusken stuff, we are yet again on Tatooine. AGAIN. And, we will be there again with the Obi Wan show. The Krrsantan fight was just….bad. He would have DESTORYED all those people. When he gripped Boba in his arm’s he would have crushed all his ribs. It is VERY clear to me watching this show that it has been Disneyfied and toned way down. We have yet another case of a villain turning into a hero somehow, completely out of character, over and over again with this from anything related to Disney.

    Let’s get away from the planets we continually go to. The characters we continually tell about. How about some Chiss and their planet Csilla? Let’s have a show about the Empire after ROTJ dealing with defeat and it’s retreat. NO HERO’S!

    I am looking forward to Ahsoka, and on the fence about Obi Wan. Andor? Meh. The Acolyte? Nope, not with that woke show runner.  Not interested in the Taiki Waititi movie, I am not a fan of his directing. I hated Thor Raganrok. But I will say I liked his voice acting for the IG droid in Mando. Rogue Squadron movie, we’ll see. I am sure it will be a female lead per the wokeness of them all. Lando show, nope. Droid Story, not really. Kevin Feige movie, nope.

    I do not sub to Disney+, I do not give them my money. I watch through :other: means. I feel the pain of fellow Star Wars fans. I saw Star Wars in 1977 10 times. I was 4. It changed me, no joke. The best thing to do is not give Disney your money.

    #237339

    In reply to: Star Wars Anime

    This could be really, really good. They should get Japanese writers for Jedi/Sith stories as well. I enjoyed Ahsoka in Clone Wars and I enjoyed REBELS a bunch using that Pixar tech. If they can refine a good Japanese Anime team, there is vast potential and, let’s be honest, this is a GREAT move to add to Star Wars. Star Wars has always done a great job at merchandising and this is another vehicle and avenue to showcase Star Wars. Japanese writers would do a great job with The Force, as they could put in elements of Zen Buddhism and Bushido concepts into The Force. They could make their Jedi have a “spiritual wind” which is something they believe in, in the case, the “spiritual wind being The Force.

    It adds yet another tool to the Star Wars arsenal. Hope it’s done well.

    #227018
    Mustangride1
    Moderator

      The finale was in no way “woke” you bring up the 4 women and 1 man. You seem to forget the person who saved the day was LUKE a MAN. None of the boarding crew were going to live until Luke showed up and saved the day.

      Had they wanted to go “Woke” it would have been easy to have Ahsoka show up to save them or another (strong female Jedi character). The third woman was in the original show with the “BO” the guy was missing but that could easily be explained as he was on a mission for her, and had Disney not done Gina wrong in the next season or spinn-off he might be back with where he went. The women did not feel woke or even off to me, never gave it a second thought.

      As to why Boba was not part of the crew, he was the distraction. Plus having Boba and Luke cross paths would probably been a serious issue. Boba Knows Luke and they have a History that for it to have been believable would certainly fought or had major conflict.

      Think about it; had Boba been on the Cruiser he would have had to Die or escape before Luke got there, If he died <NO book of Boba> had he ran he would have Broke his oath to Mando and been seen as a traitor <no one would want to see book of Boba then>. Now had he been trapped on the Bridge he would have had to fight Luke <their history comes in to play> or <Major tension that took away from the power of the scene> Theatrically and for the Story Boba could not be there with Luke.

      The show was good, the Finale was awesome, people need to stop looking for “woke” in everything, if you have to look for it, it wasn’t really there.

      #221431

      In reply to: Mando Spin-offs.

      DigiCat
      Moderator

        If Lucas Film had half a brain they would start with Boba and Bo Katana as a pure stand alone shows not getting involved at all with the main Star Wars shows which would be Ahsoka and Thrawn.

        They are starting with Boba, Book Of Boba Fett comes out in october or december ??

        #221402

        Topic: Mando Spin-offs.

        in forum Star Wars
        Mustangride1
        Moderator

          I am talking this without KK or the Wokies under her control. This is what could be.

          Been thinking on {The Mandalorian}, in truth it is over and no need for that story to continue. In fact I would say it would be excellent if it did not, we had the story, the plot, the goal and the ending.

          Along the way we had set-ups for the continuation of “Stories in the Star Wars Universe” introduced to the nonserious fans as feelers to see which ones took and which did not. Watching Social media it is clear that several resonated with the general audience:

          Ahsoka
          Bo Katana
          Thrawn
          Boba Fett
          Luke Skywalker

          If Lucas Film had half a brain they would start with Boba and Bo Katana as a pure stand alone shows not getting involved at all with the main Star Wars shows which would be Ahsoka and Thrawn.

          The Mandalorian plot with Bo Katana and her struggles and triumphs would make for at least 2 to 4 seasons as would Bobba, with his adventures. Done right they could be 16 episodes for each season having one in fall and winter and one in Spring and summer. Toss in some Bad Batch and it’s a year of Star Wars or should I say Four Years.

          During this time, we could have Thrawn done, I keep thinking it needs to be done in Game of Thrones 1 hour episodes, lets face it Thrawn was not about battles but his manipulation and workings. He was also not a “bad guy” certainly no Imperial in the normal way <trying to be spoiler freeish>. We could get 2 seasons of backstory on Thrawn and then 3 seasons with Him as an Imperial maybe 4.

          Ahsoka, I think could be 3 seasons intertwined with Thrawns last 2 season and then possibly tying back in to Luke which would be 7 seasons. All in All in the time line this could with a few leaps take us to 15ABY

          One thing I have always hated was tv series that go on to long, Mando is done, now let’s get the others going, there are after-all plenty of stories to do and raw from and they do not need to be long or drawn out. This new 10 show per season format actually is annoying to me, I like the old long seasons when good stories could be told. There is no reason we cannot have that with these shows.

          Let me leave you with this… I am talking this without KK or the Wokies under her control. This is what could be.

          #215675

          I have an entire room of Star Wars.

          I understand your feelings. Disney has politicized and butchered something we grew up on and have loved since 1977.

          However, there will still be good things coming. For example, we have The Bad Batch starting in May. That will be good, I can pretty much guarantee that. The Mandalorian was good. The Boba Fett show will most likely be good. The Obi Wan show….that’s a toss up, at least Deborah Chow is directing. The Ahsoka show will be executive produced by Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau so I feel that will be good. The Andor show, frankly, I think no one wanted that anyway. We’ll see on that one.

          The Acolyte show, I can say for a fact that will be garbage. The show runner is a woke feminist and it is a female centric show. Not really anything else to say after that.

          The Untitled Taika Waititi Film. Well, I hate his Thor movie, horrible movie. He can do good in voice acting like he did in The Mandalorian, but I am not a fan of his directing. We’ll see. The episode he did of The Mandalorian was ok, but I didn’t like the comedy scene with the troopers hitting Grogu he did in it.

          The Rogue Squadron movie. Patty Jenkins. She did great in the first Wonder Woman movie, but her WW1984 movie sucked, hard. My other issue is that I have read they are trying to make as much staff as possible women for the movie. I think that is WRONG. If the lead is a female, you can count out it being a good Star Wars movie. It will just be Si-Fi with agendas.

          #207734

          In reply to: Split Timeline

          Lindelof and Cuse said the peeps on Lost weren’t taking certain directions, then in final season they came up with a way to have their cake and eat it too. Until the Ahsoka show premieres I don’t care what Favreau says, and what he said doesn’t necessarily mean the road Mando’s on, or at least Luke, Ben, and Grogu won’t be altered. It’s way too early to reveal a surprise like that. The First Order will be a concrete plot point regardless.

          #207224

          In reply to: Split Timeline

          Also, Favreau was talking about Mando.

          Not the Ahsoka show which will likely be dealing with the timeline alteration before they eventually get to that Grogu show/movie with Luke.

          The title of the show contains imagery from TWBW and there’s extra canon plot points in a Wookiepedia listed cardset of that particular storyline which shares info Tano may have even messed with things even more than we know as she found an entrance back into that plane of existence.

           

           

          #205789

          So I was reading this article which quoted Pedro Pascal with this:

            <li style=”text-align: left;”>“I am told what’s happening and what the plan is, but I can’t share it. They are in the expansion of this world, where there are so many unexpected surprises and timelines that are going to be dealt with. If the character were to cross over into these worlds, it will be utilized in a way that isn’t meant to be expected. I wouldn’t want to spoil the surprise of whether or not characters from the show we already know are crossing over.”

          The article was focusing on the fact that characters and story lines may cross over between each spin off series.  This is something that I already assumed would happen.

          But the interesting thing that I read in this quote was the word timelines.  Seems like a clue to me.  You probably know that there is speculation that the Mandalorian and spinoffs will essentially retcon the Disney trilogy.  The method to making this happen in a smooth and uninsulting way would be to create multiple Star Wars timelines.

          Creative writers can probably come up with multiple ways of making this happen.  The most recent idea I’ve read (not taking credit for) deals with Ezra and Ahsoka.  In the animated show Rebels Ahsoka is battling Darth Vader.  One timeline suggests that Darth Vader killed her.  This explains why her voice is heard in Rey’s head at the end of The Rise of Skywalker.

          Those who are familiar enough with Rebels also know that Ezra, while travelling in the World Between Worlds, or what I call the netherworld of the Force as Yoda once called it, he was able to travel to multiple time periods in the galaxy.  When he saw Vader about to kill Ahsoka he pulled her out of there and into the netherworld with him.  She returned to her time, but alive.  This changed the timeline.  Now Vader did not kill Ahsoka.  This opens up a whole new possible timeline to be explored.  One in which maybe Luke doesn’t give in to his fear and raise his saber to young Ben.  One in which Grogu is part of Luke’s Jedi Academy.  It’s easy to assume that happened right?

          Prior to the Disney trilogy I would have rejected this idea.  A purist at heart, I would have wanted to stick to a linear timeline of events.  But with the smack in the face known as The Last Jedi, which subsequently affected the entire trilogy, I more than welcome this concept now.  Let’s have an alternate timeline where Luke Skywalker can be great again as the beacon of hope that he is supposed to be.

          #205098

          Just for the record, I’m not saying he’s effeminate or anything. What I’m trying to say is that Mando could be either a man or a woman. I don’t want to sound like I’m bashing the show, I actually like quite few episodes, but a weakness of the show (in my opinion) is the lack of chemistry between all the characters.

          Mando went from wanting to give Grogu to Ahsoka or any Jedi, to ‘Grogu is the most important thing in the world’ in the following episode. It’s a bit too much of a change in a small amount of time.

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