Capitalism vs. Communism

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    We need a discussion to decide why one over the other. It seems quite important that we should understand more about systems that rule our lives to a great extent, and why we should favor either system over the other. I’ll start by sharing the opening paragraphs on Capitalist Propaganda and Communist Propaganda from Wikipedia in that order:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_propaganda

    Capitalist propaganda is promotion of capitalism, often via mass media, education, or other institutions, primarily by the ruling private and political elite. Capitalist propaganda is commonly deployed in capitalist countries to maintain the cultural hegemony of capitalism, by positioning it as the supreme and only valid system, eliminating opposing and dissenting views, and portraying non-capitalist perspectives and countries as comparatively incompetent and inferior, thus reinforcing capitalism as the dominant ideology. Capitalist propaganda may have lasting psychological effects that remain in a population even if the official government of the people is no longer capitalist, which can produce political instability and rebellion. The term capitalist propaganda has been used since at least the early 20th century to describe how propaganda is used by the capitalist class to indoctrinate workers to act against their own interests.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_propaganda

    Communist propaganda is the scientific, artistic, and social promotion of the ideology of communism, communist worldview and interests of the communist movement. While it tends to carry a negative connotation in the Western world, the term “propaganda” broadly refers to any publication or campaign aimed at promoting a cause and is/was used for official purposes by most communist-oriented governments. Rooted in Marxist thought, the propaganda of communism is viewed by its proponents as the vehicle for spreading their idea of enlightenment of working class people and pulling them away from the propaganda of who they view to be their oppressors, that they claim reinforces exploitation, such as religion or consumerism. Communist propaganda therefore stands in opposition to bourgeois or capitalist propaganda.

    It seems to me from the wording in these articles that capitalist propaganda is presented here as a damaging tool of indoctrination, while communist propaganda is an antidote to that poison. The author or authors choose to describe both capitalism and communism, from the point of view of Marxist teachings.

    Regardless, it seems to me that the more capitalist the system is, the more socially destructive are the effects of the media. But then, the media seems to by and large promote communist messaging? Would purely capitalist news and entertainment not be as destructive on the fabric of the western society as it is with communist influences – or is the destructive part due to capitalism itself? Does any of this make sense?

    In this clip PBS – a government-funded station – is reporting on the right-wing bias of a broadcaster who put out a piece pointing out how easy it is to control the narrative in a top-down way on a national level. PBS doesn’t address the issue raised in the original piece directly. The state of US media and the world’s largest media organizations seems to be very divisive – and is it the fault of either system or simply due to the fact that there are two systems competing and each side only cares about making the other side look bad?

    Meanwhile we are trending in a direction of disallowing the common folk from speaking their minds while media organizations seem to attack people left and right with impunity.

    #189443

    I got another clip.  This one is 8:06 long, and took place on April 3, 1969, in a time before “political correctiveness” was a thing.

    So if you are a snowflake, you might be offended by it.

    But what he has to say applies very much today.

    Color, Communism and Common Sense:

     

    black rebellion was what (they) wanted

    bloody racial conflict would split america

    etc.

    This is exactly what the democrats, antifa, and blm is/are doing.  The are communists/marxists.

    They are not friends of freedom, liberty, truth, or justice.

    #189496

    Dude aint wrong.

    The free shit voters are weak as fuck.

    #189523
    Anonymous

      The best video on YouTube about this general topic.  A warning to America.

      #189524
      Anonymous

        Yuri Bezmenov: Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society (Complete)

        #189526
        Anonymous

          A warning from 1965….

          #189551
          Anonymous

            You know the irony of it all?  If a war comes about, it will be the liberals in the cities who die.  Country folk will literally cut off the cities.  Libearls in the major cities will be trapped with large groups of black people who in the past have killed each other over Popeye’s running out of chicken sandwiches.

            I am always reminded of what Lenin did.  When Lenin assumed power, he used intellectuals, academia, artists, the media, and select groups to bring about social change that gave him power.  Then he turned around and literally killed 95% of them within a month.

            I think that is ultimately what would happen here.  Whoever is pulling the strings behind the scenes are using Hollywood, blacks, liberals, and the MSM to create chaos.  If a war kicks off, Those four groups will be decimated.  Whatever government arises from this, will see those groups really no longer existing as they do today.

            It is essentially a Lenin move.

            #189605
            m76

              No, we need to end the myth that we must have one of these two.

              It’s just like when the woke cry yatzi if you disagree with them, if you criticize capitalism in any way you get called a communist. It’s equally stupid.

               

              #189607

              Third positionism?

              #189635

              Ive been saying that since the Manchurian candidate took office in 09.

              #189638

              My boss once said that communism might be able to work if humans themselves became more advanced and no longer had greed that would make them want more than others had. I suggested instead that communism would only work if all individuality was removed from people so they became the same, in other words far less advanced than they already are. Communism can’t respect individuals who don’t want to be part of a hive.

              #189640

              Yeah, but ultra-individualism is also bad. We need to promote a culture where it’s taught to do things for the greater good and not just for yourself.

              #189667

              My exact opinion on the two party system. It’s a relic from the past where you are stuck to choose between two sides, which divides and creates a lot of unnecessary hate against others because it becomes an ”us vs the other side” situation. The racist white supremacist  gun freak rednecks vs crazy pedophilia supporting SJW snowflake weirdos.

              Just look at the media. They’re all biased one way or another, which is a really fucked up concept for me.

              #189683

              I know from experience that most people are dead in the middle (no matter what the middle is), but everyone is being forced to pick a side at this point and the media is pushing the two sides farther and farther apart which only benefits the media at the expense of the entire rest of society. Because the media is strongly left-leaning, it’s now making out people who would have been considered “centrists” only ten years ago “white supremacist neo-NAZIs” and that doesn’t help.

              So this is the fault of a fake binary choice that it must be either capitalism or communism and not anything in between? So do we just blame the media for giving us this fake choice? Maybe we should.

              Is there anyone to blame for the narrative being what it is other than the media? I know that Trump is also playing into the media’s game by calling Biden a “communist” which furthers the division, but I don’t see that he has any other choice from his POV since Biden is very pro-communist China and in favor of government control over industries and wealth redistribution. Biden’s side is certainly playing to the tune of the radical Marxist BLM and the CCP and is about as guilty for division in the USA as Trump is.

              Will we ever be able to pinpoint the problem so that we can start to fix the society? Is there only one key reason for this mess that if you removed all the bad stuff would go away? Or is everyone equally guilty? Or are some more guilty than others? I don’t see anyone starting topics to discuss this all-important issue, and I’m afraid that unless the whole world talks about these things openly the problems that are plaguing the world will never go away, and will get worse.

              #189702

              Certainly it is far easier to advance when people co-operate with one another and even do things that may not benefit themselves directly but when society pretends that we are all identical then it loses sight of what it means to be human.

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