Climate Change? When has climate ever been static?

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  • #231971

    Why are environmentalists asking Biden to soften criticism on China if they are the biggest contributor to Climate Change?

    #231975
    Vknid
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      Because the entire thing is really only about money and the Chinese have a lot of it.

      #236204

      Oh Look!  The UN is at it again!

      UN sounds alarm on ‘irreversible’ climate impacts

      The UN climate panel sounded a dire warning Monday, saying the world is dangerously close to runaway warming — and that humans are “unequivocally” to blame.

      Already, greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere are high enough to guarantee climate disruption for decades if not centuries, scientists warn in a report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

      And we all know how inaccurate their “models”, and most “expert’s models” have been.

      Describing the report as a “code red for humanity,” UN Secretary General António Guterres urged an immediate end to coal energy and other high-polluting fossil fuels.

      “The alarm bells are deafening,” Guterres said in a statement. “This report must sound a death knell for coal and fossil fuels, before they destroy our planet.”

      Yay, then how are you going to force the CCP to abandon all the hundreds and hundreds of coal power plants they use and build more of each day?

      What, you can’t?  You only want gullible western nations to give them up, most likely.

      The IPCC report comes just three months before a major UN climate conference in Glasgow, Scotland, where nations will be under pressure to pledge ambitious climate action and substantial financing.

      And look, they are bring in the heavy weight of climate activism!

      U.N. climate change report ‘a wake up call,’ says activist Greta Thunberg

      Calling for “massive” pressure to fight climate change after Monday’s dire report by a U.N. science panel, activist Greta Thunberg said she plans to go to this year’s global climate conference in Glasgow, Scotland, after all.

      yawn.

      But she said world leaders had ignored scientists’ previous warnings about climate change and she did not expect them to match words with action in response to the latest U.N. report.

      Yay, and we heard all the warnings from Al Gore over a decade ago with his climate apocalypse, and have since been proven FALSE time and time again.  Why should this be any different?

      #236260

      I also read that the carbon emissions are supposedly higher this year than they had ever been.

      Well of course their gonna be higher, but that’s only because of the lockdowns that were enforced are over and everyone is going on vacation.

      This also makes me worried about the rumored “climate lockdowns.” What if because the lockdowns caused a decrease in emissions, the feds will use Climate Change as an excuse for more lockdowns in the future.

      #236282

      I mean the climate is certainly getting warmer, no one can deny that. The question is how much do our actions reflect on it and speed up the process, and is there anything we can do to slow it down without giving up necessities?

      #236285
      Vknid
      Moderator

        @SuperSoynic_Speed

        Really? What’s your basis for saying that? I am not saying you are wrong just asking why it is you think that.

        #236298

        Well the rising average temperature as well as the rising amount of extreme weather events like drought and heat waves and storms (which are side effects of a warming climate). Not only is the rising curve in temperature visible but the poles keep melting at an accelerating pace and therefore the sea level is rising.

        #236305
        Vknid
        Moderator

          Dude that’s nothing but a bunch of anectodical statements without any context. Plus you bake in the assumption that such things (if even true) are abnormal. How do you know that it is? The Earth has been around for over 4 billion years. We have temp records for something like 150 years.

          My point is not to dump on you, my point is to demonstrate that just because we are told something does not mean it’s based on fact.

          My only issues with such claims are that they are routinely wrong on fact and on assumption. And the worst part is the climate hysteria ignores the actual environmental issues are indeed manmade and could indeed harm humans soon (the planet is fine regardless of humans it’s our own butts we need to worry about). For example, plastic pollution. But you don’t hear about it because it does not make billions like the green movement.

          #236317

          Dude that’s nothing but a bunch of anectodical statements without any context. Plus you bake in the assumption that such things (if even true) are abnormal. How do you know that it is? The Earth has been around for over 4 billion years. We have temp records for something like 150 years.

          stop misusing buzzwords you learn from watching Crowder or some shit, my statement was the complete opposite of anecdotal as it was an observation from reading statistics about average temperature, sea level and glacier level. For example, the glaciers in the North Pole have melted by 35% since the 70’s. My statement was that the climate is getting warmer every year on average, if you wanna prove otherwise then go ahead.

          my point is to demonstrate that just because we are told something does not mean it’s based on fact.

          again, my statement is backed up by evidence about average temperature rising, sea level rising, glaciers melting. If you claim that is not true then feel free to show it. Your quote applies to you too.

          #236328
          Vknid
          Moderator

            OK, so see I was having a legit discussion with you. I presented a few actual facts and some good challenges to the things people generally hear that they assume are correct. You however presented no facts just made a few statements without any backup and then you insult me.

            So clearly you are not concerned with actual discussion you just want to be a jackwad so you have yourself a good day.

            #236336

            Their are NATURAL warming and cooling cycles.

            Scientists were going NUTS before their discovered what is now call “El Nino” and “La Nina”.

            Historians and geologists and arborist and scientists have documented this going back CENTURIES.

            And those corollate with the phases of the sun, and other natural events (large volcanic explosions for example).

            The fact modern temperature records only goes back 150 years, and the proven fact those same instruments have been moved/are being effected by urban development HAS effected their readings (always upwards) is TOO.

             

            FACT: Since the industrial revolution, human kind has not put as much “climate effecting” stuff into the atmosphere as does ONE year of volcanism in the world.

            FACT: in the 70’s, it was a call about global COOLING and the coming ICE AGE.

            Heck, if meteorologist can’t even get a five day forecast right, and you expect us to believe a 50 to 200 year forecast?

            #236397

            You Had One Job And Failed (6)

            #236430
            Vknid
            Moderator

              I am sure less emissions are better for many reasons. But clearly the cult that this is, is because for the folks at the top of the pyramid it means billions of dollars. The carbon offset industry alone is HUGE.

              But again, this mis-prioritization of things has us over focused on what might be a long term issue and totally ignoring what IS man made and IS going to get us in the short term. Plastic pollution. Especially in water ways and oceans. You hear about it once in awhile but it’s not a religion because it does not make billions.

              #236366

              @Viknid come on stop playing a victim. Not once did I insult you. Also, I presented just as much, actually even more facts than you did. If you need sources then here:

              rising temperature: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/world-of-change/global-temperature

              https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

              https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/01/climate-change-global-warming-carbon-dioxide-emissions-science/

              rising sea level:

              https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/question-14/

              https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

              https://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/indicators/sea-level-rise-5/assessment

              melting glaciers:

              http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

              https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/

              Also from personal experiences and statistics, certain countries that used to have snow every winter in the 80’s, 90’s even early 2000’s are now rarely covered in snow during winter as the line of snowy winters receids higher and higher.

              Heck, if meteorologist can’t even get a five day forecast right, and you expect us to believe a 50 to 200 year forecast?

              Not a good comparison. I already told you before that weather and temperature is not the same as climate. Weather forecasts often go wrong because the weather changes very often, the direction of the wind can turn the weather around completely. Long term climate is way easier to predict in a sense. For example, in Scandinavian countries the winters are snowy and fairly cold and the summers are short and mild and not humid which spawns confireous forests.

              But you’re right that no one can tell what the climate is like in 100-300 years. As I said earlier, the climate keeps getting warmer and warmer, which is a fact. The question is, how much do humans affect and accelerate the process? I would guess we affect to an extent but not as much as some people like Greta Thinberg want to believe. And the thing is, we can’t see the results of our counter measures until 50+ years in the future because the warming is a slow process.

              So I see no point in trying to demy that the climate is getting warmer, as statistics show. But we don’t know if it’s just a normal ongoing cycle or if we accelerate and affect it this time. We won’t get certain answers during the time that any of us breathes on ths planet anyway.

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