Dave Filoni Is Not the Saviour of Star Wars

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      There’s really no tactical way to put this without ticking somebody off so I’ll come right out with it. Dave Filoni is not the saviour of Star Wars. In fact I’d argue the opposite is true. He was Disney Star Wars before Disney ever came into the picture. I will be frank, I do like parts of Clone Wars. But even that show just came in and upturned what was already accepted canon and left everyone scrambing to fit it in somehow. Yes, I do like Ahsoka, but let’s be honest, Ahsoka is a retcon character herself who can be largely ignored, and she really doesn’t do much to improve Anakin’s character in the movies regardless. Not to mention why she is even still around as of The Mandalorian just makes no sense. Ahsoka was originally supposed to have died by the end of Filoni’s Clone Wars, and it was pretty much implied to be the case since not once did she ever come back in the Expanded Universe even when they tried to fold the show into continuity with The Fate of the Jedi novels where the Mortis stuff became a focal point (Ghosts of Mortis is one of the worst arcs in the show FYI). But even if you ignore the EU and go by Disney’s terrible fanfiction universe, why she’s still around still makes no sense. You mean to tell me she’d been hanging around with the Rebels well into Return of the Jedi and NOT ONCE did she ever have any kind of contact with Luke? I think he would’ve liked your help on the Death Star II, Ahsoka. Just saying. And that’s just the tip of the scheisseberg. Filoni does not pay attention to continuity. Neither his own or what was pre-established, and just throws out what already worked for inferior versions. What was the point in making Asajj Ventress a Nightsister when her character was entirely different? Don’t know. Why did Filoni replace Durge, one of the coolest bounty hunters from the Dark Horse comics and the Genndy Tartakovsky micro-series, with an even more generic character, Cad Bane? Bane is basically just alien Jango Fett in wild west attire. There’s virtually nothing different about him that can’t be found even in a half dozen other characters. Even when I first watched the show I wasn’t impressed by him, because who he ultimately replaced was so much cooler. Durge was basically John Carpenter’s The Thing stuffed in a monstrous suit of armor and he was awesome because of how creative he was and that he was a tough bastard that Obi-Wan and even Anakin had a hard time putting down. Spoiler alert: Obi-Wan and Anakin had to send Durge into a sun in order to finally kill him. And speaking of replacing what was already fine, Din Djarin from The Mandalorian is Jango Fett. No, really, he is literally a copy/paste plagiarism job of Jango Fett. His backstory is exactly the same. A kid in a Mandalorian village whose family died and was rescued by Mandalorian warriors. It only seems different at first because the variables were switched around. And don’t even get me started on what Filoni did with the Mandalorians, how like what JJ Abrams did with the New Republic in the movies they were basically altered beyond recognition to the point that Karen Traviss quit LucasFilm due to too many egregious changes to lore that she and others had previously made. Including retconning Jango and Boba Fett so as to make them not Mandalorians. Yeah yeah Filoni claimed George Lucas told him to make those changes, but that’s just “he said, she said” talk. And I have a hard time believing it was George who suggested it considering Filoni was caught lying before, on stage even, by George’s own daughter when during a panel she told him off on where he got Darth Maul’s robot legs. So if he could try and lie then, even in front of George’s own flesh and blood, then what makes you think he’s trustworthy now? Because from where I’m sitting that puts everything he’s ever said into question. Then of course there’s a mountain of other things from the B-Wing having a superlaser in Rebels that can just annihilate Star Destroyers with ease, to altering the Noghri to the point that they’re monkey men with Klingon foreheads, to the Krayt Dragon in Mandalorian now being a giant worm ripped off from Tremors instead of the quadrupedal reptiles that Krayts have long been portrayed already as (not counting the Greater Krayt which has 10 legs and actually does eat sarlaccs). It’s stuff like this that just reinforces this view, even among other anti-Disney and anti-Filoni fans, that he is a hack who just makes up the rules as he goes along. And for those of us who were invested in the universe beforehand, we don’t care what happens anymore because things can just change at the drop of a hat. And then there’s the most egregious admission that the reaons for how and why Luke died in Last Jedi came, if not at least in part, by Filoni himself. Stig-Kenobi on Twitter not long ago tweeted out his irritation (which is putting it very mildly) that Filoni fans who hated how Last Jedi treated Luke made videos for views are fakes because Filoni is unreasonably propped up as the “saviour of Star Wars” by those same folks. While I personally think Stig was being too abrasive and more blunt than a sledgehammer, his main point is ultimately correct. If you’re going to blame Disney, Abrams, Johnson, Kennedy, etc for how Luke was treated, then it stands to reason you should also put Filoni’s head on a pike for coming up with the ideas in the first place. Just like how Jeremy has said it’s okay to like Disney Wars so long as you acknowledge they’re still crappy Star Wars movies, I have to apply the same logic towards Dave Filoni. It’s okay if you like Clone Wars, Rebels, Mandalorian, etc, but Filoni is part of the problem and he already has long been part of the problem even before Disney bought Star Wars from George Lucas. He’s not the “saviour” and I highly doubt Star Wars will ever get better with him since far too many times he’s been shown to have the creativity of a pube. A broken clock may be right sometimes, but it’s still a broken clock regardless. Sorry to break the illusion to all of you.

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      I just had this conversation in another thread, you do realize everything put in TCW was the George Lucas’ oversight and approval right? As long as you’re being fair like you say you are trying to be just go ahead and put a lot of that Clone Wars hate onto Lucas too. It’s fine to not like decisions, and I’m not defending the decisions in this post, but don’t blame Filoni just because he works at Disney Star Wars. If George had disagreed with anything Filoni and team came up with, it would not have appeared in the show. I bet you’d be surprised at how many decisions in that show actually came directly from George.

      Secondly, Jon Favreau had already written the outline of Mandalorian before Kennedy even put Filoni on the team, so I’m not sure where you get that Filoni is to blame for Favreau’s creative decisions of the main character’s origins in the show. Again, not defending the choices here, they just aren’t Filoni’s fault if you don’t like them.

      No, he is no “saviour” of Star Wars, he made a lot of mistakes in Rebels which he was in charge of, but ignorant Star Wars fans love to blindly blame him for everything they don’t like about Star Wars today. For the most part, the accusations are just not true.

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