guns, mass shootings and bad people

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May 12, 2023 at 11:39 am #299385
StephenDutton
Yes, that is pretty much correct. I don’t know the exact figures but I’ve seen some people claim that the rates of some violent crimes are higher in the UK than in the US.
May 12, 2023 at 12:07 pm #299386
DragonLady
@Vknid

It’s mainly knife crime that’s quite high in UK cities atm but it’s mainly because of gang vs gang culture more than anything. Yet the government are too frightened to do anything against it because it’s apparently “racist”.
May 12, 2023 at 12:21 pm #299389
Vknid
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@DragonLady

Right so my point there is guns are not the problem nor are knives. The core problem is that you have bad people perfectly willing to harm others. Removing guns or knives does not solve that in the least. And the problem of violent crime is the same here in the US. It’s not that there are millions of people doing these things, its small groups whom are allowed to offend again and again making them more brazen each time. In fact in some areas of the US like New York and Chicago you are encouraged to harm others at will and anyone who defends themselves will have the full weight of the law on them. It’s really as if the goverment(s) will have you a victim either by choice or force you to be one.
May 12, 2023 at 3:02 pm #299396
Mustangride1
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There is a Solution to many of the problems in all countries…. It is highly unpopular but 100% effective.

If you are convicted of major felony (Murder, Rape, Kidnapping etc) then execution should be the sentence. If you are a Gang Member then Label them as Domestic Terrorist round them all up and Lock them all up. Crime should not be a “career” and life in prison should not be a sentence either, that is a death sentence lets just be honest about it…. And be honest there is some crimes and persons who need to be removed from the planet so they can never harm another person.

Chicago and NY are prime examples of cities where if you rounded up the Gang-Bangers crime would drop to near nothing over night, certainly homicide and shootings would… That is simple the truth something people I swear have forgotten about (the truth) because when you realize it is true, you then need to realize the other part is criminals so long as they are loose will do what they do. You start placing hash penalties you will solve some of it.

But it also starts at home. Parents have to start being parents again and not their kids friend. Parenting is not easy you will and should be the bad guy at times.
May 12, 2023 at 3:34 pm #299399
Vknid
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While I am not necessarily condoning such things I remember reading an old article a long time ago how in pre-ww2 (Imperial) Japan they began to have a terrible drug problem. They solved it fairly quickly (going by memory here) but if you were caught doing it you lost a hand and if you were caught selling it you were killed. It was supposedly super effective.

I tried to verify this info but could not. All my searches turned up results about Chinese opium wars, Japan’s current drug problems and how the Nazi’s loved amphetamines.

This is the closest I could come to proving Japan had success controlling drugs, in this case specifically methamphetamine.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09555803.2015.1024710?journalCode=rjfo20
May 12, 2023 at 11:44 pm #299442
Wisdom
If I recall, that was in China. They rounded junkies up and shot them in the back of the head.

Not exactly something I would condone. Especially not that we know that a lot of drugs are less harmful than alcohol. Weed, ecstasy, lsd, mushrooms, etc are all less toxic and less addictive than alcohol. Psilocybin (the active compound) in mushrooms has a similar toxicity to salt, and the stuff has great therapeutic potential.

Zero tolerance only works when it’s purely restricted to violent crime. Rape, murder, armed robbery etc should probably carry the death penalty or at least life in prison (might be better, since there have been plenty of innocent people executed for murders they didn’t commit).
And as we just saw in New York with Trump being convicted of rape, the court system is absolutely broken.
May 22, 2023 at 5:44 am #299873
SuperSoynic_Speed
Here are some of my two cents on the issue:

Are guns the problem? No. The root of the issue (and this goes for violent crime in general) is that you have an increasing number of people willing to harm and murder others. What tool they use to get that done does not erase that fact.

Guns are way more effective at maximizing the number of casualties knives or whatever but it’s true that it’s too late now, America is way too deep in the shit alteadt in terms of that. The argument about taking away the guns is a strawman, no serious democrat wants to come and collect all the guns, it’s impossible.

What Obama for example, and many other suggest is tighter requirements to get guns, background checks etc etc to reduce the risk of mentally ill people getting access to firearms. People on the right like Shapiro (or was it Matt Walsh?) and Michael Knowles somehow came to the kinda right conclusion via the wrong path when they said during the Nashville shootings ”trans people are mentally ill and are not allowed to have guns”. Yes but no. They are correct that mentally ill shouldn’t carry guns but they couldn’t help but go through the transphobic route.

One could easily say mental health is that root and I believe that is indeed part of it.

based. Take better care of mental health and make mental health care accessible for people who are not econimically (and mentally) stable. One method would be socializing healthcare and providing it for students. But the problem is that republicans vote against gun regulations but also mental health services

– secure the places that are most important to us

(for example schools should all have at least a small police presence)

effective way to quickly get rid of the shooter, but the issue is that the manority of mass shooters know that their act is wrong but are prepared and willing to die as a ”martyr”. Having armed personnel in schools most certainly would not stop school shooters as they have a death wish and try to pick out as many casualties as possible before going out.
May 22, 2023 at 8:27 am #299876
DarthVengeant
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There already IS laws and restrictions on guns and obtaining them. And a LOT of them. I am tired of hearing people say that we need more laws and restrictions. They clearly do NOT understand that WE ALREADY HAVE THEM. And, a little known fact is, many of them are NOT FOLLOWED. Meaning, the law is ignored or circumvented.

More laws, more restriction’s, more bans, etc….just takes away freedom and does NOT solve the problem at all. There will still be mass murder and killings. Forever. It’s a cold, sad fact.

People are the problem. Meaning mental illness, criminals, and society treating people like crap and not expecting them to break or lose it one day. And, government is the problem too, because they only use these things for opportunity for more control and power, not to solve the actual problem. You wonder why someone flips out after working in a cubicle all day with a boss who continually demands more more more more. Or places like Japan where you work 6+ days a week in some cases and are gone from dusk till dawn on those work days. Where people frown on you if you go on home time. Is it any wonder the depression and suicide rate (especially among the young) in Japan is high? Hmm, I wonder why. Not bagging on Japan, I like Japanese culture, but that is one of their dark sides.

We have a mental health crisis in the USA because of lack of funding. In many places you are waiting 6+ months to get a therapist, and then they just want to throw pills at you. They close down facilities so there is even less of any care or availability for care. You can blame state and local governments for that. Mental Health is always one of the first things cut in funding. And then people wonder why we have the homeless and gun violence like we do. Leftist run states like the one I live in are prime example’s of this. They legalized ALL drugs here. And now we have rampant crime, homeless, and nut bags running around everywhere.
May 22, 2023 at 9:47 am #299881
Legatus_Legionis
There already IS laws and restrictions on guns and obtaining them. And a LOT of them. I am tired of hearing people say that we need more laws and restrictions. They clearly do NOT understand that WE ALREADY HAVE THEM….

More laws, more restriction’s, more bans, etc….just takes away freedom and does NOT solve the problem at all.

Just look at the states with the most strict gun laws, you will also see they are the states with the MOST gun violence, most gang gun violence.

Then look to the Swiss.

…the Swiss, unlike Americans, regulations are quite a bit more finicky. Not only are you supposed to be criminal record-free in order to get a gun, but you also must be deemed unlikely to cause harm to other Swiss. Local police who have doubts about a prospective gun owner’s well-being (or even those who are assured of the same but worry nonetheless) may and sometimes do ask local psychiatrists or friends about an applicant’s mental state or alcohol and drug use.

And it works.

… in 2016 there were just 45 homicides caused by guns in that country, one of the lowest rates in the world. As for attempted homicides: 187 in total in that same year, again one of the lowest rates in the world.

In another word:

There are as of this writing 2 million guns in Switzerland, a small Alp-locked country with a population of 8.2 million citizens…

They have rules when it comes to storage, cleaning, etc. and use a form of mental health evaluation when it comes to gun ownership.

Having guns in the hands of good, law abiding citizens was NEVER the problem.

It is as many have stated, when criminals and mentally unstable people get their hands on guns and ammunitions that ARE the real problems, for they use them for illegal reason (murder, robberies, mass shootings, etc.)
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