I support police, BUT there IS a police problem

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    And I’m not talking left and right, it’s good and bad

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Loken.
    #230126
    Mustangride1
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      As I said I would, I contacted many friends on forces.

      ALL I spoke with in multiple States (22) ARE required to have (x) amount of hours to maintain their credentials it was between 40 and 120 hours a year depending on the mandate requirements for each state. Furthermore for advancement in a department they had to take training as well for the specific advancement positions, if any required such as First Aid, those were also required to have ongoing credential hours.

      I specifically asked all of them if they new of a department without requirement, all responded NO with the caveat there could be one but it would be the exception and probably in violation of a State Requirement.

      I asked also if they felt they had adequate training? The answer was Yes.
      I asked if they felt more training would be helpful?
      The answered were FOR WHAT?
      I replied identifying mental illness. I am lucky these were friend I asked because the answer usually started with WTF kinda stupidity is that. They then went on to explain their job was NOT that of a Psychiatrist or Social worker. They all had some training but all replied with this answer in effect <When a person has a weapon or is attacking someone with the very real possibility of injuring them or killing them, our job is to stop it and stop it fast. Once the person is detained we will send them to either Jail or the Hospital based on our observations. But first we have to protect the public and ourselves.

      They are Police Officers, they are here to Protect the Public, Enforce the Laws. They are not Social Workers or Psychiatrist and do not have the time to play one when confronted with physical force to them or others. Again all the numbers I have stated previously support the training appears to be working or there would be a lot more dead people. And now as it appears they do and are required to have ongoing training.

      So now I have to ask, what more training do you think they need??

      #230127

      So now I have to ask, what more training do you think they need??

      If you listen to some sources, they are to become social workers.

      And on a similar line, replace the word HUNTER with POLICEMAN.  And you can see exactly what the lib-tards want to turn the police into.

      Are you a Liberal, a Conservative, or A Saskatchewan Hunter?
      Here is a little test that will help you decide.

       

      You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children.

      Suddenly, a Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner,
      locks  eyes with you, screams obscenities,  raises the knife, and charges at you…

      You are carrying a Kimber 1911 cal. 45 ACP, and you are an expert shot.
      You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.
      What do you do?

      Liberal’s Answer:
      Well, that’s not enough information to answer the question!
      Does the man look poor or oppressed?
      Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
      Could we run away?
      What does my wife think?
      What about the kids?
      Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
      What does the law say about this situation?
      Does the pistol have appropriate safety built into it?
      Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
      Is it possible he’d be happy with just killing me?
      Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
      If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
      Should I call 9-1-1?
      Why is this street so deserted?
      We need to raise taxes, have paint & weed day.
      Can we make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behaviour.
      I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.
      This is all so confusing!

      …………………………………..
      Conservative’s Answer:

      BANG!

      ……………………………….

       

      Saskatchewan’s Hunter’s Answer:

      BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!  BANG!
      BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
      Click….. (Sounds of reloading)
      BANG!  BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
      BANG!
      BANG!
      BANG!
      Click

      Daughter: ‘Nice grouping, Daddy!’
      ‘Were those the Winchester Silver Tips or Hollow Points?!

      Son: ‘Can I shoot the next one?!’

      Wife: ‘You ain’t taking that to the Taxidermist!

      #230136
      Vknid
      Moderator

        @Mustangride1

        Personally, I never thought they need more training to identify or deal with mental illness. That is not their job nor should it be. But taking a person who has the power to end your life and saying 1 week out of a year is plenty enough training, well I have to very much disagree with that. Not that the police should be the military but they should train more like it in that training should be more often and more intense.

        Not only would this help to sharpen their skills for the street but I think it would also weed out more folks who should not be an officer to begin with. In essence the state and federal levels of training and requirements should apply to the lower levels as well in my opinion.

        As I originally stated I do not believe at all there is a racism issue. I don’t think police are taking out black men all over the place. But I do think there are too many times where things go sideways. Now that will always be the case to some degree just due to the nature of the job but I think they can be negated to a larger degree.

        #230137

        It is NOT 1 week of the year training, IIRC, but 1 week worth of updating skills.

        But in Canada to become a law enforcement office you need:

        … that their process takes between 3-6 months to complete. The RCMP doesn’t provide a set duration for the entire process; their cadet training takes 26 weeks. At the VPD, the recruit training alone takes up to 44 weeks in total. Generally, you can expect to set aside 6 months for your application process.

        And any previous training, be it a security guard, helps tremendously in not just getting into the programs, but passing as well.

         

        #230146
        Mustangride1
        Moderator

          @Legatus_Legionis

          Correct, it is not 1 week but minimum LET ME REPEAT THAT “A MINIMUM” OF 40 HOURS of updating training/education.

          The average Academy time is 6 to 8 months, Then on top of that many departments require at minimum of a bachelors degree in a “Criminal Justice or other skill related to a job Fish and Game for Instance wants Biology”

          Sure there could be and probably are departments who do not require the Bachelors degree, but they still require academy training and their states law enforcement training (or) a reciprocal equivalent updated to their state by law or state policy.

          The problem is and always will be the Criminal!

          Yes there are cops who have a God Complex, I never said there were not, Also said and will believe Qualified Immunity needs to be removed and replaced with something that gives them some degree of protection but also does not put them above any other citizen. While still being able to get the removed from a force, open to lawsuit or even arrested. Currently the SCOTUS ruling on “QI” gives these officers near God Level Protections.

          Well, if you have a EGO and add the knowledge you can get away with up to an including Murder, Some will do it. That is the real problem with Police, that knowledge they are immune to consequences, just opens the door to it. When I have had discussion with officers about these 1st and 2nd Amendment auditors the response is typically.

          Those officers know the laws and those are the ones that need to be gone, they know the person has the right and if they don’t it goes back on their department for not making officers aware of those rights as these Auditors are NOTHING NEW.

          Personally, and I have said this for decades now. Departments should put out people like these “auditors” to actually Inspect officer interactions. Simple no Criminal activity to force an interaction to check how the officer acts would go a long way to weeding out problems.

          #230157
          Vknid
          Moderator

            I watched this today and it gives you some perspective on the things we are discussing here.

            Clearly these gentlemen did a wonderful job and if you ask me they did it out of sincere care for another human being.

            #230169
            Mustangride1
            Moderator

              And this was today, took a few minutes along with many to simply stand by the roadside to say goodbye. Most of us will NEVER have to be worried about being killed at work. These officers face it daily.

              #231893

              Officers sue California city over Black Lives Matter mural

              PALO ALTO, Calif. (AP) — Five officers have sued the Silicon Valley city of Palo Alto, saying it allowed the creation of a Black Lives Matter mural with anti-police images that constituted harassment and discrimination against law enforcement.

              Harassment and discrimination is sure is!

              One of the images was of Joanne Chesimard, who goes by the name Assata Shakur and was convicted in the 1973 killing of a New Jersey state trooper, according to the lawsuit filed last month in Santa Clara County Superior Court. She later escaped from prison and fled to Cuba. Shakur has yet to be found.

              A cop killer?  Is that what they want to promote?  A wanted felon/murderer?

              The lawsuit also says the mural included the logo of the New Black Panthers, which is identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group that has encouraged violence against white and Jewish people and law enforcement.

              It should never have been allowed.

              “Law enforcement officers, including Plaintiffs, were forced to physically pass and confront the Mural and its offensive, discriminatory, and harassing iconography every time they entered the Palo Alto Police Department,” the lawsuit said.

              I guess “offensive, discriminatory, and harassing iconography” is subjective now.

               

              I still support the offices in blue.

              I denounce those who want to defund and demonize LAW enforcement.

              IMO, only criminals and law-breakers want this happen.

              #231907
              Mustangride1
              Moderator

                @Legatus_Legionis

                They have lost that lawsuit before it even hits the steps….. SCOTUS has long settle that, an as it falls under “Art” its is Protect.  I will always support the Police, but first I support the Constitution even against the most distasteful forms of speech and art.

                 

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