Jeremy is Foolish

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  • #204483

    I agree that Biden did condemn rioting and looting, just to be fair though he also ignored a lot of the looting and rioting that was happening.

    A great example of both sides radicals is people stating that Trump supported white supremacists and that Biden supported antifa when they both condemned each group.

    I do agree that breaking into the Capitol is pretty bad. There is evidence that at least 2 Antifa people were part of the people breaking into the Capitol building, although I think information about this is unfolding. I don’t want to take a side here and it’s definitely Antifa, but I think we shouldn’t dismiss this until we have more information.

    Parler hasn’t had the opportunity to be anything other than a right wing news/comments platform, if it manages to survive it might become something much better. But it should be allowed to survive. I did start seeing courageous left wing people joining the conversation there.

    #204508

    Trump’s words about marching to the capitol and showing strength and that ”Mike Pence is going to have come through, otherwise it’s gonna be a sad day” certainly added fuel to the flames even tho he techincally didn’t encourage anyone. But for the Trump maniacs that sounds like a speech before going to war, and they were shouting ”hang Mike Pence” and stuff like that…

    A great example of both sides radicals is people stating that Trump supported white supremacists and that Biden supported antifa when they both condemned each group.

    After 6 months on this forum, finally someone who can see things objectively instead of accusing others of being a gay communist chinese spy and a lizard person for having the audacity to criticize both sides. I thank you for that. And I am aware that Antifa was there too because they love to get involved in chaos, but this still was a plan by the Trump mob and there is plenty of evidence about them planning on Parler.

    To summarize my opinions, those who looted and rioted in the BLM mayhem are thugs and domestic terrorists and should be in jail. Those who broke into the Capitol building are thugs and domestic terrorists and should be in jail. Their political views or motivation should make no difference. Democrats who say BLM riots are justified but the Capitol breach isn’t are clueless hypocrites, and Republicans/Trumpsters who say BLM riots aren’t justified but the Capitol breach is, they are cluekess hypocrites too. It ain’t that hard.

    #204531

    Yeah I agree with you. Although I would still like to have a clearer understanding of what part did the Antifa people have in the Capitol mayhem. Not because I’m looking for blame, but because I want to be able to get a better sense of what happened.

    I think Trump didn’t expect people to go on a rampage. But with the media going after him and his supporters for 4 years, Pence having a different interpretation of his role in the certification than Trump, no courts wanting to hear the allegations of fraud, the social media bias, etc., I think that group felt a bit too cornered and something bad came out of it. I’m not excusing their behavior, I just think this is what happened.

    #204536

    They were misguided patriots at best and incompetent clowns at worst. I agree with you QAnon is mostly nonsense but most right-wing social groups I know of don’t take it very seriously. Stuff like that is ultimately a distraction from the core issues, which is why the media will blow it out of proportion in order to stoke fear and make progressives think Trumpsters are coming to murder them in their beds (it doesn’t help Parler-types are fond of tough-guy machismo talk: But rhetoric on the Internet should not be taken seriously, as people will say things they normally wouldn’t to another person).

    And I don’t know about them storming inside with the intent to do harm when they were basically let in by the police. They seemed to think they were invited in:

    #204538

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    #204540

    Haha that clip is after they evacuated the building and there were no people left to be assaulted. No reason to start a violent bloodbath shootout against thousands of people when there isn’t anyone to protect in the building anymore. Doesn’t look like a friendly invitation from the start. People were armed. Firearms, bats, home made bombs, tactical gear, flex cuffs indicating they might’ve planned on taking hostages. A cop got killed by one of the rioters by smashing him with a fire extinguisher. A photographer got beat up and thrown around the floor for working for ”fake news”. They were shouting to kill Mike Pence. Armed people inside the house. Literally breaking windows and doors to get in. Stop living in denial.

    and here’s a recap showing that it really wasn’t peaceful but actually a disastrous shitshow.

     

    #204617

    Update; According to the owners of Parler the site was never hacked. That was nothing but the communiost news lyiong their asses off to give credence to their unlawful breach of contract.

    #204689

    Sounds like an excuse to cover your own ass. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s a far right echo chamber.

    #204695
    Anonymous

      Didn’t some police officer whom used a PA regarding supporting Trump get a day off because of it?

      Wait till their precious cities start to burn and the police stay out of it.

      #204696
      Anonymous

        When the “far right” is anybody whom is not “radical left”, then you have a problem.

        #204710

        It goes both ways. When the radical left are people who don’t support every single thing Trump or Trump supporters do, you have a problem. Twitter is leaning towards people on the left and Parler is leaning towards the right. It’s simple and it goes both ways.

        And to make things clear: by far right I mean mentally ill QAnon conspiracy people planning on storming the Capitol and killing Mike Pence on Parler. If that doesn’t fit your description then so be it.

        #204718

        I don’t deny that certain parts of the protests got violent: My point was that were different sub-factions within the larger movement; mostly clowns with some bad actors. If this was a left-wing riot, I’m pretty sure the authorities would’ve done more to stop them from entering. They didn’t, and what’s followed since then is the Left using this as a battering ram for more censorship. They basically wanted this to happen as an excuse to crack down on right-wing populism. Even so, I’m still feeling white-pilled for two reasons: 1) Leaders cowering under their desks is a sign of weakness that instantly loses respect from the populace. The Right now knows how terrified they really are of us. 2) It’s exposed how fake “left-wing populism” really is, considering how many of them became boot-lickers cheering the government they claim to despise to censor their political rivals. This is going to strengthen the Right in the long-run.

        There is a fundamental disharmony where we disagree, I’m afraid. You claim both sides are equally bad, but I think that’s a false equivalence. Nothing changes the fact that the Left burned down cities for several months, which saw dozens of murders, rapes and destruction of small businesses: They hurt the very people they claim to champion. The attack on the Capitol was directly against the government and is proportionately of less consequence. People still got hurt and killed and I do feel bad for them, but you’ll forgive me if I don’t have sympathy for corrupt warmongers who send young men off to die in pointless foreign conflicts.

        I don’t think you’re a Communist, but pontificating about how both sides are bad doesn’t make you a principled centrist; it just makes you look like spineless pacifist and lacking a strong belief system. Tell me, if a bully is shoving you into a locker, do you punch back, or just submit because if you fought back that would somehow make you just as bad?

        I’d be interested in knowing how exactly you view the role of state. How you answer determines where your political sympathies and philosophy really lie, not simple things like mere policy. Does the state guarantee and secure rights or violate them? Are you okay with government overreach as you long as it’s in the name of something you agree with? At what point does the government go too far, and if removing officials peacefully no longer becomes an option, what recourse is left? Democracy is not necessarily the opposite of authoritarianism.

        Right-wing violence doesn’t spawn out of a vacuum: It has always been in response to the insanity of the Left, after months or even years of enduring of left-wing terror and governments doing nothing about it. An example would be the Spanish Civil War just before WWII; the Spanish Nationalists were formed because they were sick and fed up of Communist Red Terror (the situation in Germany, before the Nazi’s came to power, was also quite similar). Augusto Pinochet was also a brutal military dictator who committed an actual coup, but everything he did was to prevent a Communist takeover of Chile.

        You can decry the right-wing violence all you want, and there might be points where I’ll concede the Right goes too far, but there is a difference in which the root of it is founded on: To protect and preserve your way of life against an irrational foe who does not want reconciliation or compromise but your total submission or death.

        #204753
        Anonymous

          If you really want to understand what’s going on, then study Germany 1930’s. You can do an Amazon search for ‘Nazi Occult’ and see how many books show up.

          We have several factions at play at this point: Fascists (compromised Nazi party circa 1920-1930), Communists (Soviet Union, circa 1950-1960), China (circa ?), anarchists.

          Fascists want control and destruction, Communism is a religion (hence the idiot behavior), China wants to be America – the trend setter (aka Ego), and the anarchists just want chaos (their own nature).

          This is a deep problem, not simply ‘I like Trump’.

          The issue at hand is to prevent the human loss in the millions. Read up on Mao (China) or Stalin (USSR) or Hitler (Germany WW2). There are constants among those events and today. This is why this “election” is such a big deal.

          Additionally, the process by which they have been operating is exactly the same. Such things have been documented. See “The Naked Communist” published around 1952.

          #204842

          Dont bother Soibitch refuses to listen to fact.

          He cant comprehend that which he calles alt right is in fact pretty much anyone who isnt him.

          #204873

          It’s my experience that Twitter isn’t leaning left, it is the left, so is Facebook. I understand the need to try and take a few steps back and try to see things more objectively. I’ve been trying really hard for the last few years to watch both sides of the political spectrum, and most of the time the left leaning positions are inconsistent and/or hypocritical and/or easily debunked (with a few exceptions e.g. Tulsi Gabbard). I’m not saying the right leaning crowd is always correct, but they often have a better rationale when explaining their point of view.

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