jojo’s bizarre adventure part 4 is trash!

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so i sent this, then i checked back and it wasnt here, i dont know if you saw it or replied this thread is so buggy, but the website is new so dont blame me, but heres my response to your july 11th reply.

i watched the first 2 or 3 episodes of part 5 i cant really speak on it but its probably better than part 4

okay so its in a small town, that doesnt make it good, it not being about saving the world doesnt make it good, or necessarily down to earth.

so avdols dying, and being thought to be dead for multiple episodes to be revealed as being alive isnt a twist? and also what twist does part 4 have, theres hardly any story to it to have twist to, also dio doesnt just send minions, their warriors and stand users who have different motivations, some are in it for the bounty money, some worship dio as god, some just fear dio. when you say minions it just downplays the fact that their actual characters with real motivations. dio doesnt brain wash people, now in part 4 we have random insane people who pop up and fight the good guys lose, then the next day their friends, it doesnt make sense, the guy was ripping peoples eyeballs out for fun, literally wanted to murder joske and laghed while doing it, then the next day all his murderous intent is gone, he acts like a normal kid, you CANNOT defend that writing. you go find a robber, rapist or killer in real life and beat them up and see if they just turn normal the next day. zero character development at all, i remember the one scene where all the characters gathered after the little fatt guy died, and i was just thinking who the hell are theses people, i dont even know these characters, not one death in part 4 made me sad, part 3 every death made me cry at least a little. there is no character development at all, and part takes place over a longer period of time.

also you failed to make a direct comparison on the twist part, like what twist are there in part 4, and what do you constitute as a twist? also saying “you can predict from the second episode how its gonna end” doesnt make sense all you could have guessed is they would defeat dio, i can guess that with anything, good guy beats bad guy, yeah thats usually what happens.

also im just debating part 3 vs 4, you started making blanket statements like “part 4 and every part after it”. and part 4 had no objective really. they want an arrow, then they run in to kira.

and kira is just a standard serial killer, its not new or unique or that interesting, dio is an immortal vampire that came back to life and took the body of jonathan joestar, if you compare screen time between kira and dio. i bet dio wins, kira encounters the heros earlier on, for like 1 episode then he disappears and it goes back to the villan of the week formula until the last few episodes now i will admit when kira changed his identity  and started living with the family things got interesting but again that was in the last few episodes. it seems like your villan argument is just that they encounte kira once like in episode 20 makes him a better bad guy. and dio is just a mustache twirling villan in comparison. the idea of part 3 is that dios the final boss, and this group of heros have to climb this mountain to get to him, kira wasnt much more than a villan of the week, that got stretched out for a bunch of episodes, also kiras dad shoots random people with arrows and they just so happen to be evil and run into the heros, and distract them from tracking kira,thats just stupid while dio sending people makes sense.

i have no problem with creativity, and the stands the way they are in part 3 are enough to separate this show from other anime, it sounds like your implying all the stands do in part 3 is punch and their not creative, which is a blatant lie bro, the stands in part 3 get extremely creative, and different and those are the ones i like usually. you keep tryna downplay part 3 with cheap remarks, im starting to question if you watched part 3, every encounter and battle is unique, if your trying to make the point that every jotaro fight ends in a punch and every avdol fight ends in fire, thats not even a valid point and it doesnt make sense. part 4 has some cool stands too, when i say wacky im talking about the stupid ones, like the cheff guy, or the make-up woman, or the guy with the toy soldiers. dont put words in my mouth saying i dont like unique stands. also part 4 handles stands way worse, you say you dont like stands who only punch or whatever, how bout the fact that reverb literally only does 1 thing, when he evolves he still does 1 thing, and when he gets the 3 freeze move he just spams that and acts like he cant do anything else, or okuyasu whos stand can rip wholes in space but never explores or does more with it, he just spams that one thing, diamonds abilities never change or become more versatile he just punches and heals. most characters in part 4 feel like they have a 1 track mind they only use their 1 ability 1 way, while in part 3 the heros learned countless different ways to use their abilities to their full potential, their all open minded fighters. you keep saying things about part 3 and ignoring the fact that part 4 does the same but even worse.

once again your first sentence had nothing to do with jojo so i stopped after the first sentence, so you wasted your time on that little paragraph. im not reading any more of your comments either because its obvious you dont have more than 12 brain cells, much less the ability to debate. go to school kid, bye.

once again, i never said i dont like the setting i said that the setting being in a small town doesnt make it good,  im not saying it makes it bad i also never said the story had to be a big end of the world situation to be good, but it does have to have some kind of direction or plot to it though. i knew about the setting of part 4 before i watched it and i was excited to see a  story taking place in a different type of setting, i didnt walk into it thinking it was gonna be bad just because of the setting or the small villan is the point im making.

you keep saying the villans in part 3 have weak motivations, and yet the villans in part 4 have no motivations at all, it just random people. i ask you to the rapist thing was an example my point ist the character will be trying to murder people, and the next episode their friends, there was a guy who was ripping peoples eyeballs out then the next episode he’s walking down the street having a laughing with joske, theres no defense for that writing, like you cant have someone be a bloodlusted sociopath villan for one episode and a nice, kind, friendly person the next, mental illness, selfishness, insanity, and murderous intent dont pop up in people and disappear. its objectively poor writing.

also saying shigechi was a comrade of joske suggest they were warriors or something, i wouldnt even call them friend they knew him for like a week and he tried to kill them. also you just said it yourself, they introduced the idea of something ominous happening in like episode 1, then kira pops up and kills shigechi which happend in episode 22, so what happened between, episodes 2 and 21? ill answer that for you, pointless random stuff, literally basically nothing happens.

also once again you come at part 3 but fail to mention that part 4 stretched fights whole episodes or even 2, everything you have to say about part 3 is done even worse and pointlessly at that in part 4.

when it comes down to it you may not like the style of part 3 being straight forward but at least it has a consitent plot that the show stays on topic of, everything in the story matters, and makes sense, and develops the characters. while on the other hand we have part 4 where the flimsy plot is only relevant once every 10 episodes and between that random stuff happens with no connection to the plot, and theres no character development.

in part 4 i can literally skip 28 0ut of 38 episodes, like random stuff happens constantly then they reveal kira and vow to hunt him down then random stuff happens. they do the same thing, random stuff, random stuff, random stuff, random stuff, little bit of plot, random stuff, random stuff, random stuff, random stuff, little bit of plot. while regardless of whether you like  part three or not, its always on topic, its called a story line which doesnt seem to exist in part 4.

kira is a standard serial killer, when you described him you were just describing most serial killers. i dont find that to be more interesting than dio then okay thats subjective, kira didnt appear at all until episode 20, so have the season was spent doing nothing, then after they run into kira they do 10 more episodes of nothing and they fight kira a the end vs in part 3 ever moment was spent on the hunt for dio and. also having twist and turns doesnt make something good, there was not even a strong enough plot in part 4 to have twist to, i think what you refer to as twist in part 4 is just random stuff happening, which doesnt equate to a twist because random stuff happens every episode. not having a plot and having random stuff happen isnt a twist, part 3 preformed actual twist.

i understand that you like the smaller more relaxed story of part 4 which is fine, but its still objectively worse than part 3 in every regard i can think of.

also heres a video listing every stand in part 3, i was gonna list them in my last reply but it would have took too much space to list all these unique stands https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WzyF1Z8hWc every single one of them are creative, unique, and require the heros to use their stands in unique ways to win, only like 2 of them punch which is starplatinum and the world. part 3 had the perfect balance or creative and unusual stands while keeping the battle intense, even the many battles without physically fighting feel intense unlike part 4 where the fights are comedy.

what bonding do the part 4 characters have, because i see none, while in part 3 the characters grow together and develope,theres none of that to be found in part 4 that i see except josuke and joseph for that 1 episode. also the same way you forgot avdol, i forgot every single character in part 4, the only people i can name is kira and josuke, the rest i cant remember.because their just random people who pop in and get peat up then become nice.

i watched jojo part 4 like 2 months ago, i watched part 3 over a year ago, now if someone came up to me and put a gun to my head and told me to name 4 characters from part 4 i would die that day, but if they told me to name 12 from part 3 i could do it. thats how amazingly forgettable part 4 is it gives us empty shells of characters with no development, motivations, drive, or purpose.

also i cant speak on that because i havent read the manga, so i dont know. but will still offer a rebuttal, the average ratio for manga chapters to anime episodes can be from 1-5 chapters for 1 anime episode, depending on the anime, so your saying any anime that doesnt do 5 chapters per episode is horribly paced and stretched? the only way it would be a viable argument is if it were based of the exact same manga and source material and then on was 48 episodes and one was 39, but were talking about 2 different manga and different stories.

my point is the chapter to episode ratio isnt on its own evidence of bad pacing, also for all i know they probably cut out so much more from the part 4 manga because it was so in cohesive , and there were to many pointless chapters. i cant say because i didnt read it. im just talking about anime.

so as far as anime pacing goes part 3 had a plot that was always moving forward with characters growing and developing along the way, there were many threatening and interesting villans, with real reasons, motivations and purpose to be there. while part 4 had a plot made up of nothing with close to no motivations thats constantly halted for episodes at a time to do random things that had nothing to do with anything. no character development, no serious or threatening villans until the end. so i cant think of any reason part 4 isnt objectively worse.

also yeah i plan to check out part 5 once the dub is done but im hesitant because i dont want a part 4 repeat.