Men vs. Women

Interesting.

You could take it out further though. Yes you need a man and woman to make a baby, might be a million ways to put the seed in the egg but you have to have a Man to make Seed and Woman to make Egg.  You are Born one or the other.

Now taking it out further. The Cornerstone of Society is Family. Look at the Communities with high crime and high drug use, they are the ones without TWO Parents in the house by-enlarge. If you are religious or not, their can be no denying the fact that families and communities with both parents present are much better off.  There is a few exceptions, but those exceptions are the very very rich.

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@Vknid

Except Leviticus, which is an accepted part of the Bible, banning arbitrary things like shaving the sides of your head, not eating mollusks or crustaceans, not eating fruits from a tree planted in a new land for three years, and so on, to the point it’s not decreed as part of the current rulebook by the very same faith that’s fairly confused on how much of the Old Testament they still want to apply

> First off, you are either a man or a woman, PERIOD. And you cannot change it.

What do we define that by? Are all intersex people just freaks?

@TowLiquor

> Gay people should forever be thankful they’re alive because of straight people.

It’s 2022. Couples consisting of bisexual people have children of any orientation, people use in vitro or surrogates to have kids regardless of orientation.

Would society be where it is without straight people? Definitely not.

Should ‘Gay people forever be thankful they’re alive to straight people’? That’s a curious way of putting it. I take it you’re in favor of some sort of new drastic resolution between racial groups in America, maybe destruction of Germany, because of who should feel indebted to whom over the past?

They’re not a byproduct, they’re a variance. What they ‘owe’ their parents is exactly the same as every other individual does.

Variance in species “appearance” is common through nature. But when it comes to sex there is either 1 or 2 but as Humans cannot asexually reproduce there is only Male and Female. You cannot and they have tried, put a vagina in a man and have him make a baby.. You cannot put a cock on a woman and have her make a baby. AKA: “Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina”

Now ass to the Bible, It is a guide without doubt, I do not care if a person is a Christian or not. If you follow the teachings in it you will be a better person simple as that. Now do Morals keep people happy, healthy and content?

Morals are in the eye of the person, Laws keep people from acting on Morals. An Example: There are people who say that the Bible says Adulterous people should be stoned. Also immoral people “gays”. Morality to some people would be killing those who committed Adultery or were Gay. It is not Morality that keeps people happy, it is the law in many respects.

Well the Law with Morality and Ethics. Life is complicated enough without the need to make it more so with trying to complicate a absolute (man and woman).

@Vknid

— “Those were common sense rules at the time that helped to keep people healthy.”

A rule about not shaving your beard or sides of your head keeps people healthy how? A rule about not picking fruit for three years and sacrificing all the fruit in the fourth year keeps them healthy… how? A rule about not wearing clothes from two different types of fabric?

— “Intersex people are very rare.”

The total accumulation of all traits and syndromes, mathematically, that were once considered intersex is 1.7% of humanity. That’s comparable to redheads. This is why there were talks of changing how we talk about sex from ‘binary’ to ‘bimodal’, because the frequency of various things previously considered abnormalities has been detected more and more. Now, if we’re talking specifically ambiguous genitals at birth, which, I may add, almost no one opposed to trans surgeries never speak up about when we ‘normalize’ in infancy, the number is low (approx 0.018%), but the fact remains what scientists originally rigidly categorized is slightly less rigid.

— “a woman is an adult human female.”

Now define ‘adult’ so we know exactly what sort of definition we’re operating on from you, if you would.

— “A female is a person *typically* with reproductive organs like a uterus and a vagina etc and XX chromosomes.”

Typically, huh?

Who chooses the exceptions? Should I start listing the examples existing at the edges of that qualification?

— “I am sure if I asked you how many arms a human had you would say 2. This does not mean that someone with 1 arm is not human but simply indicates that the vast majority of humans have 2 arms.”

And the vast majority of women are people born female. This does not mean someone born with particular set of chromosomes can’t have way more in common with a woman than otherwise, both in neurobiological terms, brain activity patterns, way of thinking, and self perception. The vast majority of men are people born male; this does not mean someone born with particular set of chromosomes can’t have way more in common with a man than otherwise, both in neurobiological terms, brain activity patterns, way of thinking, and self perception.

We could, like some other cultures, treat trans people as an additional gender role rather than the one they identify with, but that still would require breaking your rigid structure. And thinking of people as more than their bodies  – I wonder who is going to do that, though…

@Mustangride1

— “Variance in species “appearance” is common through nature. But when it comes to sex there is either 1 or 2 but as Humans cannot asexually reproduce there is only Male and Female. You cannot and they have tried, put a vagina in a man and have him make a baby. ”

And there are animals who are both and reproduce sexually, as well as animals that can change from one to the other across the course of their lifespans depending on factors. Plenty of animals also have homosexual behaviors exist within their species naturally, which religious people and conservatives happily denoted as ‘unnatural’ for probably centuries.

Hundreds of years back, we couldn’t do a lot of things that are medically possible now. Now, we can, up to and including heavy biological alteration, reconstruction of tissues that have differentiated from the same matrix to fit more closely to the other potential arrangement of said tissue. Heck, we had a Swyer syndrome person give birth, and they have XY chromosomes (with female ‘plumbing’ naturally developing). Potential of a transwoman giving birth through a C-section after a uterus transplant within the next few decades is very much real, who knows what’ll be real in 600 years?

— “Now as to the Bible, It is a guide without doubt, I do not care if a person is a Christian or not. If you follow the teachings in it you will be a better person simple as that. Now do Morals keep people happy, healthy and content?”

Old Testament includes a lot of prescription to kill, and section “16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.…” causes a lot of discord on just how right the various denominations of Christianity are in terms of playing judge on which portion of Old Testament remain applicable.

Bible has a strong moral fiber to it in many sections, but it remains a craft of human culture as much, if not more, than it is any manifestation of divine inspiration, and the wrong person in the right place can make all the harm in the world.

Yes their are animals that start out life as One sex then turn to the other, That is NOT HUMANS though, if you are going to make an argument can you at least compare apples to apples.

Now back to the Bible… There have been acts long after Christianity’s formation of Stoning for Adulterous behavior “Without trial” there has also been many cases of Murdering people for witchcraft and other offenses against God. Even to this very day in a Nation that is suppose to NOT establish religion or laws of religion we have Blue-laws that are clearly based on religion.

The number 1 cause of death in the world has been directly because or and attribute or context of Religion.  It is laws that keep people safe as I said because yes Morality is in the eye of the person.

A perfect example: There are people who believe we should all have the VAX, they want it a law and that people cannot go anyplace without it, look at New Orleans and its vax mandate policies as just one example. They believe and have said it is our “Moral responsibility to our-self, family, neighbors and world ” Yet it is Proven the Vax dose not work in fact its proven in rare cases it has killed people and in others caused Health problems. So how Moral is forcing something on someone that is proven NOT to work. Or create laws that discriminate based on you not putting something in you body that is proven not to work?

Their Morality is different than those who believe it should be our Liberty to say NO and not have it. There are laws now in some places banning the forcing of the vax or discrimination against those who do not have it. Laws not the bible or someones morality is what is keeping people equal.

Equality is what “Moral” should be. All people should be equal and luckily the LAW is what does that “yes it fails at times” Morality is subjective and even differing amongst religious groups of the same Religion. Law is Black n White.

I find hatred of religion ironic, because if there is no God, then Evolution selected the ancient religions, because they are strong and confer a survival advantage.

That advantage is evident: religion teaches that there is always something bigger than people. That belief is absolutely necessary to survival, because it is the essence of reproduction. By reproducing, we admit that we need to be replaced. We must decrease, and the next generation must increase. Reproduction is a confession that the survival of the species is bigger than our preferences, our careers, and our own lives.

Humanism, however, considers non-reproductive lifestyles to be good and enlightened, and reproductive lifestyles to be evil and backwards. Humanists, by their actions, declare they want to be the Last Generation, the end of existence. That is why they are willing to exploit children, in direct defiance of the universe.

Yet, even if there is no God to determine and judge morality, Evolution evaluates the human race, and will select the “backwards religious” over the “enlightened humanist”.

I sometimes suspect this explains at least in part the animosity of humanists against the religious. After all, the humanists are enlightened: they have science; they understand the universe. And yet the universe selects against them, and considers the religious to be strong and worth selecting. It’s a kind of Cain and Abel story. :)

As to the original subject, one way or another, something bigger than people determined that people would be men and women. We are not bigger than that something, nor will we ever be.

I consider the arrogance that says we can be, however, to be an excellent explanation of the Fermi Paradox. :)

Very good points @Roccandil glad to see someone else understands it.

Religion however does not or more to the point ignores it for their own wants or needs. No secret I am a Christian, but I HATE ALL Religion and being a Christian does not mean I am Religious. Those are two very different things.

As a Christian I read my bible, I try my best to let the words speak to my heart and soul and follow what God laid out. I also know the bible is mans translation several hundred years later and may well be flawed in some of its wording. I also 100% believe there is intentionally missing books and chapters done so by Religious Organizations. As a Christian the best I can hope for is what is Known and what I feel in my Heart and Soul as that is where God speaks to us.

Religion, is what some man or group of men decided to make it based on what they could find in the Bible or by some Prophet telling them it should be. They use it for their gain plain and simple. I have seen so many things I know in my heart are wrong in these business’s, and I say that because that is what they are. Certainly they are no house of the Lord.

I have found more Christian togetherness with a preacher under a tent who welcomed all regardless if they paid him or how they were dressed, He got up and preached what the BOOK said and then left it to the congregation to find in their heart what the words meant to them. He prayed for the sick, some laying hands some not but they still prayed and then they helped others accept Christ. There was more love of God in those ragged tints preached by a men often in ragged clothes than in all the Million Dollar buildings where the preacher was always begging for money.

Then again, the Greatest of all Preachers seemed to have been in the Wilderness as well, doing the same thing.