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  • #211563

    Fantasy is now rivaling Marvel comics in wokeness. It’s insufferable. You can’t even find a hero’s journey anymore with a male main character. It’s all female protagonists. Everything is so insufferably woke now that’s I’ve started re-reading books in my bookshelf instead of looking for new stuff. So, here is a list of non woke fantasy from my bookshelf you may enjoy:

    Lord of the Rings by JRR Tolkien: The classic hero’s journey. It doesn’t get better than this. High fantasy at it’s best.

    Dune by Frank Herbert: Another classic hero’s journey where a young boy travels to a desert planet and becomes a god to the tribes there. Wokes hate this series due to “white savior complex”.

    Warhammer 40k series (Start with Horus Heresey series): Details the rise to power of the Warmaster Horus, Primarch of the Luna Wolves Legion, after the Emperor of Mankind appoints him commander of the Imperial military and places him in charge of the Great Crusade. Wokes have tried to cancel this series due to “toxic masculinity” and other nonsense because all the genetically modified super soldiers are men and there are no women soldiers. My kind of book!

    Seventh Son by Orson Scott Card: In an alternate version of frontier America, young Alvin is the seventh son of a seventh son, and such a birth is powerful magic. Yet even in the loving safety of his home, dark forces reach out to destroy him. Another great hero’s journey series although the final book was never completed.

    Ghengis Khan, Birth of an Empire by Conn Iggulden: A historical fiction of the life of Ghenghis Khan. Told as a hero’s journey with Ghenghis as a small boy. Iggulden is one of the best at historical fiction. Also check out his Emperor series about the life of Julius Caesar.

    The Warlord Chronicles by Bernard Cornwell: A gritty retelling of the life of King Arthur. I quite enjoyed this series. If you enjoy King Arthur I would also recommend checking out The Once and Future King by T.H. White and the Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley.

    Blood Song by Anthony Ryan: As excellent stand along book, don’t bother with sequels as he went woke in them. The story of Blood Song is about a young boy who trains and grows up to become a leader and one of the greatest warriors in the kingdom.

    Beyond Redemption by Michael Fletcher: An epic grimdark fantasy set in a world where delusion becomes reality. I absolutely love this series so far and pray it doesn’t go woke in the next installment.

    Prince of Thorns by Mark Lawrence: Another grimdark fantasy but this time the protagonist is an anti-hero.

    Please list more examples of non woke fantasy that you’ve enjoyed over the years. I look forward to adding to my bookshelf.

     

     

    #211568

    This is an easy one.

     

    The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan: right up there with all the classics, and the man died before it was all done, and it still got completed…you hear that GRRM!

     

    The Belgariad/The Mallorian by David and Leigh Eddings: you want a good time with a cast of memorable characters, then this series is for you. I used to read it all the way through every couple of years, but my old paper backs fell apart. I need to get the new all in one compilations.

     

    All the Original Dragonlance books: aside from Weiss and Hickman, many many authors contributed to this wonderful AD&D setting.

     

    Pool of Radiance/Pool of Darkness/Pool of Twilight: classic Forgotten Realms books.

     

    The original storyline of Dritzz Du’Urden: his origin story, the Icwind Dale Trilogy and the books that followed. Great stuff.

     

    The Deathgate Cycle: Weiss and Hickman’s non-Dragonlance property. Sort of a non-standard fantasy structure breaking away from the usual fare.

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    #211572

    By Robert E Howard;

    Conan The Barbarian – series *

    Bran Mak Morn – series

    Kull – series

    Cormac Mac Art

    Soloman Kane

    * I would also recommend the other people who wrote Conan stories,

    By James Silke

    The Death Dealer – series

    By Michael Moorcock

    Elric of Melniborne – series

    By Fritz Leiber

    Fafhrd and the grey mouser – series

     

    Now if you wanted something slightly different, I would recommend the following series:

    Edited by Janet Morris

    Heroes In Hell **

    Edited by Robert Lynn Asprin

    Thieves’ World.

    The reason they are slightly different is that they are a “shared world”, where each author adds to it in their short stories.  Yet there are a few full length novels as well.

    A true collective world building.

     

    ** All the villains of history in one setting – HELL !  Now what could go wrong?  Answer: everything!  LOL

    The premise was so out there, but somehow it worked.

    #211575

    There is plenty. Read manga.

    #211749

    The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, the Unbeliever (3 trilogies)

    Stephen R. Donaldson

    #213858

    Because one does not simply upload, but shares as well….

    #writingcommunity
    #audiobooks
    #metalheads

    #213868
    TommyOliver
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    my mother constantly endorses the dragonriders of pern series. im more a sci fi type myself though lol

    #213874

    There is plenty. Read manga.

    #213900

    “You can’t even find a hero’s journey anymore with a male main character. It’s all female protagonists.”

    Having female main characters in and of itself isn’t a bad thing, it’s how they are written that matters. Also, the market follows trends, Authors and Publishers release what they think the customers want to buy. There must obviously be a sizable market for the moment for these books otherwise they wouldn’t be making them. Having a female protagonist doesn’t make it woke, inserting real-world identity politics into it makes it woke.

    #213908
    comicsgate
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    Larry Correia for sure. The Monster Hunter International books series. Larry Correia’s Grimnoir Chronicles are great, if you like the X-Men, he did them one better. Also, Larry Correia’s Forgotten Warrior series starting with Sons Of The Black Sword. All are excellent. In Larry’s case, if you have not read them, you are missing out. https://www.amazon.com/kindle-dbs/entity/author/B002D68HL8?_encoding=UTF8&node=2656022011&offset=0&pageSize=12&searchAlias=stripbooks&sort=author-sidecar-rank&page=1&langFilter=default#formatSelectorHeader

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    #214134

    “Having female main characters in and of itself isn’t a bad thing, it’s how they are written that matters.”

    Having a female protagonist is a good sign a book is woke and not worth reading. I would have to get a recommendation from a trusted source to read a modern fantasy novel with a female protag. It’s not worth sifting through the heaps of trash to find the one non woke female protag story that’s any good. It’s like finding a needle in a haystack.

    “Also, the market follows trends, Authors and Publishers release what they think the customers want to buy. There must obviously be a sizable market for the moment for these books otherwise they wouldn’t be making them.”

    What we have seen for many years now in other entertainment fields is that these companies do not prioritize their bottom line, they prioritize the woke agenda. The will gleefully spit in the face of an existing fanbase to subvert a franchise or genre to wokeness. The target market they are catering to only exists through shills and astroturfing. It is a phantom audience.

    The audience for a sword and sorcery fantasy novel is 99% men. Women who read fantasy read Twilight like romance novels that focus on love triangles. They don’t want to read a woke Warhammer 40k series for example.

    To give a good example of this in fantasy let’s look at Traitors Blade by Sabastien De Castell. The first book was pretty good. It has a badass main character who memorably had a scene where he takes on 10+ enemies and fucks with them before killing them. Almost reminded me of Mugen in Samurai Champloo. So, I pick up the next book and a new character is introduced who is a small girl who is a better fighter then the main character and kicks his ass in a fight. I instantly put the book down and haven’t continued. I’m not going to continue a book where the female woke stereotype is propped up by humiliating the main character of the original.

    “Having a female protagonist doesn’t make it woke, inserting real-world identity politics into it makes it woke.”

    Having all female protagonists is part of the woke agenda. That’s why it’s getting harder and harder to find male heroes in modern day entertainment.

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    #214381

    I’m currently in the process of world-building as I journey my way to creating an original dark fantasy series –  one that I hope would challenge and overpower the Woke Narrative eventually.

    I can only dream for the moment, while also overcoming my addictions first.

    Nonetheless, I come from the lineage of the Robert E. Howard’s style of fantasy rather than Tolkien’s.

    Howard’s fantasy world has a cosmopolitan touch that blends savagery and civilization which appeals to me to the core.

    I intend to explore that style of world-building while also blending philosophy and mythology as well.

    Other influences of mine are Gary Gygax’s Dungeons and Dragons lore, HP Lovecaft’s Cthulhu mythos, the lore from Whitewolf’s World of Darkness, epics from both the West and East such as the Buddha’s Jataka Tales and Hesiod’s Theogony, as well as Brian Jacques’s Redwall series

    #214457

    Are we considering ASOIAF woke now?

    I’m dead serious on this question.

    #214458

    The books or the show?
    I didn’t get anything woke from the books, at least the ones GRRM has written to date.
    The show definitely went off the rails, though even the SJWs hated it for how they wrote Daenerys in the last season so… 🤷‍♂️

    #214459

    Are we considering ASOIAF woke now?

    I’m dead serious on this question.

     

    I’ve never thought much of it in the first place. I have zero respect for GRRM as a writer or creative. I’ve never liked it at all.

    Once upon a time a friend of mine presented a theory that GRRM basically used whatever was going on in modern U.S. politics at whatever time he was writing a book as his template. When he displayed all the evidence for me, it was quite compelling, and it certainly explained partially why GRRM was a slow writer, because when U.S. politics did not go his way he ran out of ideas.

    It was just a theory shown to me, and whether true or not, I always liked it, because I don’t like GRRM nor his stories.

     

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