POLICE HAVE NO DUTY TO PROTECT YOU, FEDERAL COURT

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    POLICE HAVE NO DUTY TO PROTECT YOU, FEDERAL COURT

    “Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm — even when they know the harm will occur,” said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law. “Police can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution.”

    The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has only a duty to protect persons who are “in custody,”

    It is not their job to stop crime, not their job to stop property destruction, not their job to stop killings/murder to happen.

    A consideration of these facts does not necessarily lead us to the conclusion that law enforcement agencies are somehow on the hook for every violent act committed by private citizens.

    This reality does belie the often-made claim, however, that police agencies deserve the tax money and obedience of local citizens because the agencies “keep us safe.”

    In the case of police agencies, these services are summed up by the phrase “to protect and serve” — a motto that has in recent decades been adopted by numerous police agencies.

    But what happens when those police agencies don’t protect and serve? That is, what happens when one party in this alleged social contract doesn’t keep up its end of the bargain.

    The answer is: very little.

    That is one of the reasons we always hear leftist/dems ordering the police to hold back, let the riots/looting/burning/killings to happen.

    Insurance will pay for it (and then everyone’s rate will increase because of it.)

    What other option, outside of the police, do we have?

    If the US, that is where the second amendment comes in.  The right to own guns, so you can protect yourself when no one else will.

    Well, if you are a dictator, you use the armed forces to “maintain” the peace… at the expense of freedoms to your citizens.  That is what the left/dems/marxists want.

     

     

    #269368
    Mustangride1
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      This is not really news. It is also in part why they have Qualified Immunity, yup dirty little secret.

      Now do they protect? Yes
      Do they serve? Yes.

      But do they have to protect you? No, this is why we need guards who’s job is to protect us and our kids. Also because 911 is 90 seconds or more away.

      #269410
      Vknid
      Moderator

        Not having a legal responsibility to defend you is one thing.  Forcefully stopping you from defending your family is something else.

        #269417
        Mustangride1
        Moderator

          The stopping you is one of the actual only few cases where you can go after them. Sovereign Immunity can be waved at that point. Tricky and takes a good lawyer but can be and then you have to show they did so with extreme depraved indifference or based on some other Constitutional violation.

          This is just me speaking, but I believe “Sovereign Immunity” needs to be removed from all levels of government, it has allowed for massive corruption and the ability for people we should hold to the highest standard to get away with Murder. Yes these is a place for immunity (true accidents) all other reason NO.

          An example: suspect opens fire on a crowd and officers return fire, they should be protected from any death or injury they inflict while trying to to stop it.
          Example 2: Politician makes statements he knows to be false, he should be able to be sued for slander and liable.

          Example 3: Police perform a warrant execution but hit the wrong house, they should be liable for all damages and distress and injuries. Sorry Charlie you better have the right address.

          Better yet, If a criminal cannot lie to you than a cop should not be allowed to either. That is the most perfect example of “Rules for THE not for ME” ever. Do your damn job and gather the evidence and information, let the DA charge if he/she can make a case…. It is also the #1 reason to NEVER speak to the Police without a lawyer, those who say taking the 5th makes you guilty are morons, and have no clue of how low some officers will sink to make a case.

          #270945
          WeareChaoS
          Admin

            There’s an attorney I regularly watch on YT who just put out a video on this. He breaks it down very well and in depth.

            #270968
            Vknid
            Moderator

              HOLY CRAP! It’s  Luke Rudkowski’s (We Are Change) older brother!  That is uncanny!

              #271135
              Mustangride1
              Moderator

                Now this is getting out and people are getting pissed…. I have tried telling people this for years including citations by SCOTUS as far back as 1855….. Now those people are also understanding why I have carried my entire life.  When seconds count 911 is minutes away and they have no duty to protect me.

                I hope the more this gets out the angrier people become not at each other, but the politicians and media who keep lying to them about many things. I doubt it, but who knows maybe people will start.

                #271147

                Similar problem in the UK. You try and stop a burglar from robbing you or someone else, you get arrested for assault!

                #271148
                Vknid
                Moderator

                  @DragonLady

                   

                  Clearly that is so contrary to common sense that it’s effect of crime running wild HAS to be the intent.

                  #271152
                  Mustangride1
                  Moderator

                    Here is  a good one for you. I have posted this at least 50 times now to people on AOL. And all the sudden I get told for just one post I violated policy.

                    As someone who was a Guide on AOL and Member of the CAT team ( Child protection team) back when it started I know the Terms of Service very well. I know how to stay well within them. But now the TOS is not even a real thing. It is based on whatever someone who views your post likes or dislikes. They also removed the ability to appeal an action (in violation of their own TOS)

                    People are fighting a battle of freedoms and rights that cannot be won especially when these companies will not hold themselves or employee’s volunteers to the same rules they expect their members to.

                     

                    AOL censorship

                    #271154

                    @Mustangride1

                    I’ve been using my email account since 2008 on Yahoo and a couple of years ago, they suddenly decided to no longer allow people to comment on ANY of their topics whatsoever! I used to call Yahoo a not too bad site to get news from but I stopped reading some years ago after they removed the comments section which I enjoyed looking that because most of the people were against them on the topics in question by then. I guess that was why they removed the comment section!

                    #271166
                    Mustangride1
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                      @dragonlady
                      They allow the commenting through the AOL news, I have had e-mail accounts older than many people on the net now. hate to admit it but AOL and Prodigy, I looked a while back and found a e-mail from 1994 and guessing based off it I have been on that long for sure with both because I forwarded it to my Prodigy account lol. 28 years for certain.

                      In the early days there was not really censorship, definitely community standards, but those were mostly based around “If you would not say it to your grandmother do not say it in a chatroom or a public region post” There were exceptions such as private chatroom or if you wrote a story (now called blog) and the words used were fitting and not just for shock value.

                      In truth, we were more concerned about kids and predators…. Kids getting on the PC and doing stuff they should not and predators for obvious reasons. In truth, the net has gotten worse because of censorship. I am no fan of government, lets face it they could go bankrupt running an ice factory on the south pole. But they need to step is and stop the censorship and media bias. We all know a certain section that needs to be repealed, but it needs to go further by saying unless it breaks a law of the country (federal laws only) then it shall be allowed.

                      Put the responsibility on the parent to actually monitor what their little darlings are doing on the net. Let Law enforcement do their job when a potential crime is reported and let free information flow.  I sit here and think about all the sites I have owned or helped run over the years and the rules were always the big 7.

                      1. No spam
                      2. No Porn
                      3. No threats
                      4. No Porn
                      5. No fights
                      6. No religion
                      7. No politics.

                      The big 7. though #7  and 6 I have had on a few general chat areas , sometimes it goes smoothly sometimes it is a clusterfuck and has to be shut down. Religion and Politics are tricky on any site.  Its also why you shouldnt bring them up at Holiday events with family.

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