Politics In 2020

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  • #185884

    An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, etc.

    That mentality was still survived into the 21st century in alot of places.

     

    And @SuperSoynic_Speed, while 99% of the cops of all color/ethnic background are good, the 1% (of all color/ethnic backgrounds) makes the rest look bad.  It is not only a white cops, but CERTAIN cops that the system needs to weed out permanently – not just shuffle to another city/state to deal with.

     

    I keep hearing more black people want MORE police, greater funding to protect their communities from the drugs and gang violence ans sex assaults and domestic abuse, and rioters/looter, not less.

     

    And this hearing biden claiming it is trump (and the Republicants) wanting to defund the police, when it is democratic mayors, democratic senators, democratic house representatives and democratic governors, antifa and blm, etc. all calling to defund the police.

     

    I will be shocked if any of those democratic criminals get elected in november.

    #185889

    My earlier post didn’t get posted because it had a link to twitter I believe but check out a video Mark Dice posted today of a black criminal shooting and killing white cops who were trying to arrest him. Good people generally don’t get arrested, and many of those who find themselves in those situations where they are being arrested are dangerous. Also crime statistics show that cops are nicer to blacks than they are to whites.

    #185891

    I just think it’s shocking how incompetent many policemen are. Killing should never be the number one priority of a cop, yet in many cases in recent months the policemen (in plural!) haven’t been able to restrain a single person in a righful way which has lead to the death of the person. I think killing is justified only when there is a 0-100 escalation and lives are in immediate danger.

    For example the Jacob Blake case, the cops should’ve restrained him one way or another by tasing, wrestling, blocking or using pepper spray etc. But they let the man walk around the car and open his car door and when he was reaching for something (maybe a gun) they shot him. If they were competent cops, the situation would’ve never escalated this far.

    #185896

    The cops are trying to do the right thing and the criminal is by definition trying to do the wrong thing. By your logic, would you blame a rape victim for not being able to restrain their attacker in a rightful way and instead shooting them? I don’t believe that everyone’s life is equal in worth. My life is more valuable to me than your life, and your life is more valuable to you than my life. If you attacked me and I have a gun, I would shoot you until you were dead. Everyone’s only equal under the law (and in the eyes of God), which is how it should be – and as long as the law is equally applied it is fair. That means that whoever violates the law regardless of their race etc. must face the same consequences. Currently it is white people who are dealt with more severely by the police.

    I read a study or studies that layed out statistics that showed how different liberal, conservative and libertarian people’s attitudes were in regards to the value of own welfare vs. another’s welfare and Jonathan Haidt has also talked about this. In the studies liberals answered questions in a way that indicated that they overwhelmingly value the welfare of “general other” – meaning a total stranger, not only more than their own welfare, but also more than the welfare of their family members, and that this preference for the stranger’s welfare varies by degree depending on factors such as the other person’s race and gender. Conservatives and libertarians are the opposite – I probably fall between those two categories – we value ourselves and our family above all else, and we think that everyone should be treated the same way regardless of their race or gender.

    #185897

    twitter.com/i/status/1297788433994137600

    My last post explains why people like Soynic go from this to concluding that it must be the white cops’ fault somehow. It is inconceivable that a minority could ever be at fault, especially if the minority is unrelated to them. It’s a backwards kind of frame of mind.

    #185943

    The toxic leftist fascist media and politicians, along with a sub-section of rap music and mob shouts vilify law enforcement, call for their defunding and killing.

    They refuse to obey the lawful orders given.

    So what is the law to do in the face of those who want anarchy?

    What is the law to do when leftist prosecutors refuse to charge people with a crime they are guilty of?

    What is the law to do when you have leftist governors opening the doors to prisons and can’t understand why crime goes up shortly thereafter?

     

    I can’t understand why so many democrats want to make the usa into a third world country.

    Look at states and cities they run.

    And they want to take their “leadership/policies” to a national level.

    Hey, why don’t you look at how well those policies worked in Venezuela.

    I would not want anything like that to happen to any country, or its citizens.

    #185995

    Well white and black cops, doesn’t matter in the end. It’s just that the majority of the cases has been done by whites, but whatever.

    Anyway, I guess this is where we disagree. I’m not 100% sure about how the police system works in America, but in many other countries (my included, and I used to be a military police) the objective is never to kill, unless lives are in danger and you have no choice. If there is a way to arrest without shooting, always arrest without shooting. If the criminal doesn’t listen to the cop even after yelling like ten times hands up and on your knees, brawl him on the ground, use pepper spray or anything. If he’s carrying a knife and you don’t wanna approach him, shoot him in the knee.

    Something must go horribly wrong if the end result is letting a suspect walk around his car, open his car door and reach out for something and then shooting him seven times in the back. To me, the cops never had the situation under control and should’ve stopped him from going to his car in the first place, but without killing of course.

    It’s like the cops did nothing, they stood beside him pointing with a gun until he reached into his car and then made swiss cheese out of him. It’s almost like they’re doing it to get an excuse to shoot someone, which is comical. I know you can’t judge every cop based on this, but it’s ridiculous how it feels like every week someone dies because of an incompetent police. George Floyd was a similar case

    #185997

    In what country is it OK for a law enforcement officer to shoot someone in the knee? That’s against protocol in the States as only shoot to kill is allowed. Wounding a suspect by using lethal methods is not allowed because it can cause permanent disability and it can result in the department being sued. You are living in lala land if you think that cops are superhuman and should be expected to never make mistakes when they deal with the worst of the worst many times a day.

    #186017

    Umm… in pretty much every country. But that is interesting and something I didn’t know, if it’s true.

    But I think it’s a really dumb ”protocol”. If the options are to shoot a criminal in the leg and throw him in jail or shoot him in the head 5 times to kill, I think shooting in the knee is obviously better. Yes, the suspect may get permanent damage but it’s still better than dying? Also, if the cops shoot a criminal but he manages to live, do the cops in that case have to finish him off with a bullet in the head because otherwise it would be against the protocol? Like an execution? If yes then that is fucking messed up…

    My point is the policeforce in most countries follow the shoot to stop method where you are allowed to shoot if it’s actually the only way to stop someone who may cause danger, but you have to shoot with minimal damage (=leg, arm etc.). Shooting to kill is justified only if there is an immediate danger, for example if the suspect is about to draw a weapon or is charging straight at you and there is no time to waste. And I think that makes sense and is definitely not a lala land I’m living in.

    #186034

    Your answers are vague and devoid of factual data and are guided by your feelings. I’ve lived in Serbia, Japan, Canada, the USA and now Australia and in all of these countries the police shoot to kill. You are in a bubble and must not have a lot of experience going outside your own region but I’ve been on every continent and usually in countries outside the west the police are even stricter and even ruthless.

    I get the point – you don’t like guns, or the police, or the American way very much, but you come to conclusions without understanding how it works in the US where everyone is potentially armed and dangerous. In most countries there are not that many firearms so it’s harder for criminals (as well as for law-abiding citizens) to obtain them although it happens sometimes. In the US there are about as many guns as there are people and that’s only counting the legal guns. There are also more drugs in North America than perhaps any other region other than Latin America and people on drugs can be many times stronger and unstoppable compared to people who are not under the influence of drugs.

    If I am a cop in the States I don’t want to shoot a dangerous perp in the leg because he wouldn’t play softball with me and shoot me in the fingernail – he would repeatedly shoot at my torso or my head to kill me. That’s why you can’t play tiddly winks with them.

    I have no problem with turning violent thugs into Swiss cheese – in fact I cheer whenever I hear that happened. Here in Australia you’re not even allowed to defend yourself even without a gun so the only time a criminal can be killed legally is by the police which I wish would happen more often, but when they don’t kill them they go to jail for a few years for raping and murdering a child and then they are let out which I find sickening. An innocent person defending from a criminal using the criminal’s own knife often ends up worse than the criminal here in the courts because the courts encourage criminals and crime – that’s how they keep the gravy train rolling in.

    Don’t explain why you want the streets to be filled with pampered criminals who can live out all of their sick fantasies and keep being let out in the street by the liberal courts that make money off of people re-offending. You’re obviously way too naive or crazy to have an answer worth reading. Maybe your father was a criminal who had encounters with cops or something and you think that’s unfair – I don’t care although that would explain the garbage you’re spewing. I’ve been abused by crazy, violent people who only feel sympathy for themselves throughout my life so I have no sympathy for crazy, violent individuals.

    #186163

    In Japan and Australia the cops are allowed to use a fire arm, only if there is no other way to stop the suspect. In the Blake case, the incompetent cops let him walk around his car unarmed without doing anything to stop him whatsoever, and only when he opened his car door did they react by shooting the guy 7 times in the back. Are they really trying to tell people there was no other way to stop him? If yes then I call bullshit.

    I’ve lived in three countries, and all of them follow the same law which a majority of the countries in the world follow:

    ”The police may use force only if necessary and justified and only by such means and to such extent as are reasonable relative to the interest which the police seek to protect.”

     

    Which means you try to stop the suspect by ordering, using pepper spray, tasing, baton etc and if you must use a fire arm, shoot a warning shot. If that doesn’t help, shoot the suspect once or twice to stop him/her, blasting 7 holes in the head or something is definitely not necessary. Obviously, a 0-100 escalation where the suspects whips out a gun or is an immediate threat you shoot him as many times as it requires to stop him/her, not kill.

     

    In my opinion, that’s how things should be but people are allowed to disagree. I find it very retarded that in America cops are allowed to shoot but definitely not wound? Like I asked earlier, if they wound someone, what happens then? Do they have to execute him?

    #186208

    Different countries exist and have different rules because the same thing doesn’t work for everyone everywhere. You probably have never lived in an environment that is full of minorities that account for over half of all the violent crime who also have access to guns, and who are been spoon fed hatred from hatred to grave.

    I’ve lived in Toronto Canada longer than I’ve lived in the US and even there there are so many violent minorities that I encountered minding my own business, and even my at the time friends who were minorities turned on me and called me racist things for being white. As much as I love North America for various reasons I’m scared to go back there because I’m much safer here in Australia or in Japan, which is probably why things are somewhat different in these places. A guy told me this once long ago before I lived in North America and I thought that there was something wrong with him – but with experience I’ve come to sadly see that he was mostly right and my dreams were crushed.

    Watch the first video I posted in this thread from Twitter and try and reflect why you think that anyone should not shoot to kill a vicious uncontrollable monster that is on drugs. That reality is too distant to you in your comfortable chair in God knows what distant country. Don’t give me anymore explanations because your explanations thus far haven’t made sense and I doubt your future ones will unless you think for once.

    #186256

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1298671449968959490

    President Trump is sending in the National Guard to Kenosha

    #186265

    I still hold onto my opinion that the cops in case George Floyd and this one were really incompetent and useless, and should’ve done things better.

    But I know same rules won’t apply in all countries. I think restricting guns in America would lead to more civil casualties, but I would never ever want firearms to freely circulate in my own country as it would end up in the same way. Civil casualties.

    #186267

    My problem isn’t white cops, it’s incompetent cops no matter the skin color

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