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    Hi everyone. I’m posting this with the hope that maybe somebody out there has experienced something similar and is interested in talking about it.

    I hate it when people refuse to assimilate with the country that they live in. How can somebody decide to live somewhere else and still expect life to be the same as it was in their country of origin? I understand that assimilation takes time. Tourists and new immigrants don’t bother me. What does bother me are people who have lived 10+ years in my country and don’t even have a basic understanding of our culture.

    I won’t reveal where I live, but I’ll say that I don’t live in the US or Europe. I go to school with a lot of western foreigners though. Most of my immigrant classmates don’t understand basic manners, let alone the local language. Many of them are just rude in general, especially teachers. My teachers refuse to respond to students who greet them “Merry Christmas” because they want to be “more inclusive” or something even though Christmas is a massive celebration here. While refusing to reciprocate a greeting with religious connotations may be considered polite in the west, that is definitely not the case here. In fact, it is extremely rude. If they truly wanted to be inclusive, they should be aware of local customs, shouldn’t they? I’ve also had teachers force us to study critical race theory, make opinions on the US election, and get involved in political discussions that shouldn’t concern us. Foreigners can get deported for attending political rallies here, yet they have to audacity to teach politics to local children? It’s absurd, but it’s not even the worst thing I’ve seen. Some foreigners do things that are outright illegal, such as only allowing their maid 1 meal a day. (True story. My parents used to smuggle food to somebody’s maid so she wouldn’t starve.)

    Speaking of maids, my biggest gripe with disrespectful foreigners is that they openly criticise our traditions without even trying to understand them. Over here, domestic work is quite normal, and it has been that way since pre-colonial times. It’s such an integral part of our culture. So hearing the same people who praise African tribes for adhering to tradition also criticise us for keeping our traditions alive just boils my blood. I can’t tell you how many times a teacher has told me that I am a “modern day slave owner” just because my family has a maid. Don’t they understand that the culture surrounding domestic work is completely different here? I’ve been calling them “maids” but household staff are treated more like uncles and aunts than anything else. Children are taught to respect them. It’s not unusual to see a maid openly reprimand her master’s child. Pretty sure slaves can’t do that. The law also entitles all live-in domestic workers to adequate food, lodging, and medical assistance free of charge. Most locals treat their household staff very kindly. Whatever we have here, it is NOT slavery, and the fact that so many foreigners can’t see that just speaks to how ignorant they are.

    Now, I want to make it very clear that not all foreigners are like this. There are tons of foreign immigrants that respect locals and our customs. Many members of my church are American and they are all wonderful people. They’ve assimilated quite well. These good, kind foreigners are not people I am talking about in this post. I am specifically calling out those who are disrespectful and do not assimilate with local culture.

    If I ever lived in America, I would make a conscious effort to learn about the culture there, and I would certainly never disrespect important traditions I genuinely don’t understand why many foreigners that migrate to my country refuse to do the same.

    And after all these years, I can’t help but notice that all those foreigners who were inconsiderate and disrespectful to my community tend to act and speak the same way. Americans probably know them as SJWs. They claim to stand up for indigenous people, but in my experience, they’ve only brought us harm. They preach about awareness and inclusivity, even though they are the ones who are ignorant and uninclusive.

    Sorry for the long, ranty post. I just had to get this outta my head. TL;DR, white SJW immigrants are disrespectful to my people and they refuse to assimilate with our culture. Also, if you are in a foreign land, please treat the locals with respect.

    Thoughts, anybody?

    #206409
    DigiCat
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      What can i say, SJWs, of whatever race gender or religion, are a-holes

      My teachers refuse to respond to students who greet them “Merry Christmas” because they want to be “more inclusive” or something even though Christmas is a massive celebration here. While refusing to reciprocate a greeting with religious connotations may be considered polite in the west, that is definitely not the case here

      I will start with i live in Europe, a part were i’m pretty sure Christmas is a big thing, when i was in school this would’ve never happened, but i can’t help but think quite a few of my old teachers (especially middle/high school) are probably doing this shit now

      I had classmates who didn’t celebrate Christmas, and when Christmas break came up, i’d wish them happy holidays and they’d wish me Merry Christmas back or vice versa, there was no worries about “oh, am i being inclusive??”, everyone had their respective cultures and everyone wished everyone their respective holidays

      Some foreigners do things that are outright illegal, such as only allowing their maid 1 meal a day. (True story. My parents used to smuggle food to somebody’s maid so she wouldn’t starve.)

      I also had classmates who’s parents were domestic workers, them being foreigners working for the locals, i can’t speak for all of them, but there was one classmate who both parents got fired ’cause her mom had fallen sick! And they were live in help, so the whole family was living with their employers, and the whole family got kicked out

      #206433

      Western/liberals are as anti-religious/bigots as you can get.

      They demonize Judo-Christianity values.

      No monuments of the Ten Commandments allowed to be seen in public places, nor any crucifixes.

      No national flags allowed in schools and no morning prayer/reciting the pledge of allegiance/singing the national anthem.

      You are indoctrinated into hating your our history, nationality, sex, fellow citizens, etc.

       

      The cult of one world, one government, one order of doing things, global elitists.

      Everything else is beneath them, and needs to be cancelled.

       

      This is why nationalism is rising across the world.

      People are tired of having their rights trampled on by these hate filled people.

       

      You are either for their narrow view of things, or are the enemy to their n.w.o.

      #206690

      Most of what OP said is close to why I despise the massive influx of illegal aliens here in America.

      They dont give a shit about American history, value, or our laws. Worse the asshole politicions who are refusing to treat them like the criminals they are use them like slave labor forcing real Americans to fight their under the table – pennies on the dollar- wages with manditory ‘minimum wages’ that cant actually feed a family.

      Globalism is a farce.

      #206764

      I think we agree for the most part. There’s just one thing I disagree with: I think multiculturalism is the problem, not globalism. It’s ok to have lots of trade, imported products, military alliances, etc. I’d encourage that, even.

      My point is that foreign immigrants must culturally assimilate with the country they live in, otherwise there’s nothing uniting the country and no reason for a nation to exist anymore. That’s a dangerous thing.

      #206768

      I think multiculturalism is the problem, not globalism.

       

      Gotta disagree.

      He’s what you need to understand about globalism and why it’s so dangerous. In your mind, I believe you are looking at its bare bones literal purpose of opening up world trade so all countries can take advantage of resources and production through fair trade.

      But that is not the reality of the Globalism that Bill Clinton started in the 90’s. The true aim of Globalism, a plan of the far left, was not free and fair trade, but in fact the breaking down of the greater world powers. Pull the means of production away from the West and spread it around as cheap labor across the world in order to diminish Western strength. The lie that it was okay to allow the means of production to go away is what has had the U.S. and many other centers of Western civilization so degraded and economically fragile. What does the U.S. make anymore, truly? We make Twitter and Facebook…isn’t that grand? Social Media doesn’t put food on the table and pay the bills for the everyday man. A good job in a factory with protection by the Unions before they were corrupted fully, once upon a time, fed a family, paid the bills, and allowed the blue collar family to have a comfortable life. This was a way of life for decades, and people prospered. That’s just the truth.

      Those jobs do not exist anymore because of Globalism, and people are worse off for it. They were sold a rotten bill of goods and told to go to college, because that was how they were going to make a good living now, where thanks to that lie two generations have been completely brainwashed by leftist tenants. Clinton opened the doors and sent away the greater portion of our means of production off to China and the like, and the world has suffered more than prospered, because when products were made in America, they were of quality. All the shit made in China is garbage. Turns my stomach when I get something I need, and see a Made in China sticker…and thanks to the recent political events, that shit ain’t gonna stop, now.

      And I’ve been to China. I’ve seen the regular people both farmers and population that live in the cities. Globalism hasn’t helped them. They live in near poverty, and the urban dwellers are willing to spend an entire paycheck to buy a god damned smart phone, which they are then glued to like all the rest of the doped up people of the world, only they are even worse off because the Great Fire Wall keeps them subjugated and ignorant to what’s really going on. Those poor slobs have literally no idea what is going on in the rest of the world.

      So no, globalism is not good. It is part of the leftist tool bag in their never ending quest to create a global leviathan ruling network to control everything and strip away individuality of both people and nations, eventually leading to their borderless utopia where we are all under the thumb of a supra-government ruling everything from a distant location totally isolated and protected from actual people, and that helps no one…how’s that E.U. working out? Those fools in Brussels really take care of everyone,  don’t they…

      #206910

      I get your point, but you just described China of the late 90s, early 2000s. Right now, china is very, very different. They try to copy the US at every level. Many millionaires in China right now, many rich people. Sure, 50% are still poor, specially in the small cities, but in the big cities, you see people with too much money, they don’t know where to spend. They’re very materialistic.

      I live here, I just saw 3 women going for lunch, each one with a tesla, they love to show off.  And trust me, the population loves capitalism, they just aren’t allowed to say it out loud, but they do.  Money is everything for them.

      About chinese products, same, it’s very different from 20 years ago. Right now they (big brands) use the same materials as western companies. Some huawei phones (not talking about the software lol) are even better than iphones, if you hold one you’ll see.

      China is very different now (in terms of the people and lifestyle).

      PS: I’m not praising it thou, I’m just stating some facts.

      Of course, the political system still the same, but that’s another story. :D

      #206911

      I get your point, but you just described China of the late 90s, early 2000s. Right now, china is very, very different. They try to copy the US at every level. Many millionaires in China right now, many rich people. Sure, 50% are still poor, specially in the small cities, but in the big cities, you see people with too much money, they don’t know where to spend. They’re very materialistic.

      I live here, I just saw 3 women going for lunch, each one with a tesla, they love to show off. And trust me, the population loves capitalism, they just aren’t allowed to say it out loud, but they do. Money is everything for them.

      About chinese products, same, it’s very different from 20 years ago. Right now they (big brands) use the same materials as western companies. Some huawei phones (not talking about the software lol) are even better than iphones, if you hold one you’ll see.

      China is very different now (in terms of the people and lifestyle).

      PS: I’m not praising it thou, I’m just stating some facts.

      Of course, the political system still the same, but that’s another story. :D

       

      I was last there in 2016, not 20 years ago, and what I saw was utter shit hole after utter shit hole, and one disgusting event after another. Even when I was in Beijing, it was not that great. Now of course you can say that was 4 years ago, but I know what I saw and what I experienced. Perhaps you are living under a better experience with better conditions and travel to different places, but I was in the South (I can’t remember the area’s name anymore), Shanghai, and Beijing, and it was a terrible experience. They literally can’t even make real beds over there! Everything is a fucking stone slab! I spent two hours in a crazy mattress show room one time, and it was all garbage! There is no such thing as a real washing machine, and you are lucky to find an actual dryer that can dry anything more than maybe one or two towels at at time. And yeah, I know Japan doesn’t do the in home washer and dryer thing either, but I do know from being told that they at least have laundrymats. From what I saw that does not exist in China outside of hotels. And then going furniture shopping was abysmal, because it was all terrible both in design and quality!

      And yeah, they love capitalism and love everything they can get their hands on from the west, but it doesn’t change anything I said about Globalism. It doesn’t change the reality that whatever is made over there to send here is inferior in quality, where when we have to live with the products and use them, they usually fall apart and degrade because they suck.

      Three rich chicks had rich girl stuff, so….I was on a plane once and some crazy nearly toothless farmer literally turned around, reached over the seat, and tried to take a banana from my food tray. My then friend I was with who lived there full time said to me, “Yeah, they are giving the farmers a field trip to keep them docile.”

      China is fucked up. The CCP ripped away their once storied and rich culture, leaving them without any true cultural identity, so they latch on to anything that is basically shiny from anywhere else in the world and try to make it into some bastardized version of what it should be.

      Plus one of their fucking mutant chest viruses literally almost killed me, and I probably would have died if we hadn’t been told make sure I was taken to a Taiwanese hospital not a Chinese one, because if I went into a Chinese one, I wouldn’t come out.

      So fuck Chicom.

      • This reply was modified 3 years, 5 months ago by Roas.
      #206917

      lol yeah, i get it, I have a bunch of bad stories like those as well. Being rich doesnt equal having education/civism, that’s a total different thing, and i could spend hours (days) talking about shitty stuff (been here  for +10 years, there are good stories as well).  But there are 2 chinas right now, the rich one and the poor one. Rich chinese people send their kids to US and UK for a reason.

      The best chinese cities are in the south, the north sucks. Shenzhen and guangzhou are the best, very close to HK.

      but yeah i agree with you. cheers

      • This reply was modified 3 years, 5 months ago by Hazu.
      #206950

      Ok, I just googled the definition of globalism, and you’re right. I got it confused with free trade. For anyone who’s curious:

      Globalism: “the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global scale.” – Oxford Dictionary

      So yeah… Definitely not a good thing. Countries should act in their own best interest in my opinion.

      #206952

      The CCP ripped away their once storied and rich culture, leaving them without any true cultural identity, so they latch on to anything that is basically shiny from anywhere else in the world and try to make it into some bastardized version of what it should be.

      On the surface, it certainly looks that way. But if you look closer at what people value and how those values affect their actions, you’ll see that the government can’t water down an entire culture that easily. Filial piety, wisdom, and loyalty have remained prominent values in Chinese culture. That’s why there’s such an obsession over the Gaokao (final high school exam which determines your pay grade for the rest of your life). If you fail, it’s a blow to the family and it demonstrates a supposed lack of wisdom, so people care a lot about getting a high Gaokao grade. Plus historical dramas are still incredibly popular in China.

      There is no such thing as a real washing machine, and you are lucky to find an actual dryer that can dry anything more than maybe one or two towels at at time. And yeah, I know Japan doesn’t do the in home washer and dryer thing either, but I do know from being told that they at least have laundrymats. From what I saw that does not exist in China outside of hotels.

      I’m not defending China here, I just don’t like it when facts get misconstrued. This is a supply and demand thing. Most people hand wash their clothes and dry them outside. Compared to America, there’s way less demand for washing machines and dryers, so obviously there’s no point in companies making them. Hotels have laundromats because they mainly house foreigners who are used to having washing machines.

      By the way, is your problem with China mainly because of low-quality products or because of cultural practices? If it’s culture that you’re complaining about, then that goes back to the original point of my post. If you don’t understand or agree with the culture of a country, then you shouldn’t go there, let alone live there for years. Plain and simple.

      And yeah, some Chinese practices are genuinely messed up. That is exactly why I will never live there.

      #206964

      The key in topics like intercultural relations and visiting another country with a different culture is to understand the position you are in. When moving to (or even just visiting) a very different culture you have to know that you are on ”unfamiliar territory” and you are the one who needs to adapt to the culture. However, when it comes to locals interacting with you, they should understand that you are new and don’t know everything, so they should have some patience and understanding towards you as long as you show effort to adapt and learn from your mistakes. And this goes for all cultures, whether you’re an African visiting America or an American visiting Asia or whatever. Otherwise you’re gonna end up like Logan Paul in Japan.

      #206989
      DigiCat
      Moderator

        That’s why there’s such an obsession over the Gaokao (final high school exam which determines your pay grade for the rest of your life). If you fail, it’s a blow to the family and it demonstrates a supposed lack of wisdom, so people care a lot about getting a high Gaokao grade

        Sorry @Amzoka, but i think this is confusing wisdom with academic intelligents, they are 2 very different things, i know people who were straight A students, but they are completely ignorant in life, i also know people who sucked in school, but are as wise as Master Yoda, obviously i’m not saying that everyone who’s good at school’s ignorant and everyone who sucks at it is wise, they’re just 2 completely unrelated things, you might have both qualities, one of them, or none of them

        It’s unfortunate that the system makes people dependant on getting good grades to have a better quality of life

        Plus historical dramas are still incredibly popular in China

        Speaking of chinese historical dramas, one i really like is Story Of Yanxi Palace 📺

        • This reply was modified 3 years, 5 months ago by DigiCat.
        #206991

        Sorry @Amzoka, but i think this is confusing wisdom with academic intelligents, they are 2 very different things

        I wasn’t saying that. I was explaining how lots of Chinese people think.

        #206993
        DigiCat
        Moderator

          I know, and the way they think, based on what you wrote, seems like they are confusing wisdom with academic intelligents

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