Southern Baptist Convention going woke

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June 16, 2021 at 11:39 pm #228961
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So, the Southern Baptist Convention meeting has just ended, and it seems like it wasn’t a good meeting. With it’s leftward drift, the Convention may well have shot itself in the foot, especially if churches decide they don’t want to follow that leftward drift. “Get woke go broke” doesn’t just apply to Hollywood and sports.

Newly Elected SBC President aligns with liberals in saying CRT is just a distraction

The Southern Baptist Convention mocks CRT as unimportant at the annual meeting
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June 17, 2021 at 3:47 am #228975
Vknid
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Beware of any person, group or company that says to follow them they know the way to God.

Their is only one path to reach the Lord and it’s a personal journey.
June 17, 2021 at 8:35 am #228999
Audie
Vknid: I have to disagree. Jesus himself said that no one can come to the Father except through him. Not all roads lead to God.

The idea that we can reach God by our own efforts, by our own personal journey, cannot be right, because it essentially makes us the makers of our own salvation, we must work to save ourselves. One problem with that is that we are the problem, and we do not have the strength to fix ourselves, and even the works that we want to consider good works are never good enough.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is the message that God saves us, not that we save ourselves. God saves us, and he does so because we believe, not because we work for it. As the scriptures say, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved”, and “For by grace are you saved through faith, and it is not of yourself, but it is a gift from God; not of works, lest any man should boast”.
June 17, 2021 at 11:44 am #229005
Vknid
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@Audie

I was unclear I apologize.

I meant it was a personal journey, one in which the only path was not through an organization but Jesus himself.
June 17, 2021 at 11:53 am #229006
Mustangride1
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Both of you have interesting comments.

I have to agree with @Vknid That:

Beware of any person, group or company that says to follow them they know the way to God.

This is 100% true, I have never been to a church that does not impose a set of standards or conduct that does not deviate from the word of God (bible) I have seen Pastors turn blind eyes to many things to keep the money coming in, I have seen Pastors run off members who questions his action, I have even seen more than a few mega churches that parking is directly tide in to tithing, and yet many more that are Rock Concerts to attract members for money.

Churches today are BIG BUSINESS!

I also agree with @Audie that:

Jesus himself said that no one can come to the Father except through him.

This is true and important, However Christ himself destroyed the church when he saw what it had became and had members of the church plotting to have him arrested and finally killed. Trusting or believing in the word of “man” or more to the point NOT trusting a religion, over your personal journey with god is not the same thing.

I can and do read the Bible, It is part of my daily life has been all my life it is how I start and finish the day. I listen to my heart and soul and prey for God to show me and teach me the lessons in it. Some of those lessons are hard some soft.

Our walk is a solitary walk with God! No one else can walk it for you, or tell you how to. It is from within us we must find God, and accept Christ as our Savior, and then though we sin daily ask in our closet for forgiveness nightly. We can share it as we are now, but though I respect both your points of view and both are right, it is your personal journey with God.

That is no Boast, that is understanding my acceptance of Christ as my Savior and understanding my walk is a personal one on one with God through Christ. No person can tell me different as in my walk with the Lord I have often been deceived by “man” but never by the word of God.
June 17, 2021 at 5:21 pm #229034
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@Mustangride1

Wonderfully stated.

I think what you describe is what God wants from us. If he wanted mindless robots he would have made them. Instead he gave us all the freedom to explore other paths but through grace we can come back to him.

God does not impose his will on us, we are all simply born with a nameless thirst for something bigger than ourselves. It is up to us to find the proper vessel to quench that thirst.
June 17, 2021 at 10:39 pm #229051
Audie
@Vknid

Ah, ok, yeah, I misunderstood you, sorry about that.
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June 17, 2021 at 11:01 pm #229055
Audie
@Mustangride1

I’ve heard people in churches say, “There are no Lone Ranger Christians”. There is some truth in that statement. The church is important. We Christians need each other. In some way, the church is a family; in a very real sense, I am more closely related to a Christian from across the world then I am to some people in my biological family, or people of my own nationality.

But I also know the frustrations you expressed about the church, too. I don’t think it would be unfair to say that two things that have come to define and epitomize the US church, or the church in the west, are greed and entertainment. The televangelists in thousand-dollar suits weeping and begging for people to send him their last dime is a cliche that is far too real, and many churches today seem to have “Church should be fun and entertaining” as more of a doctrinal statement then any historical creed.

Getting back to the original post and its topic, that’s one reason the SBC’s failure and its slide into the woke is so disappointing and so important. We Christians need each other. But if the places we can gather, and the people who gather with us, are going to lead us astray, are only going to put a finger to the cultural winds and follow whatever why they are blowing, then we must be cautious, we must be discerning, and very likely well will have to divide from them.
June 18, 2021 at 5:52 am #229067
Vknid
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“For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”
–Mark 8:36
June 18, 2021 at 8:02 am #229073
Mustangride1
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The “Church” in NOT important, where did Christ Preach? Was he in a Synagogue?
God, Christ The Holy Spirit are where you find them, not where you are told to go to find them.

Yes the church can be as a family, but do not be deceived those in the church in your darkest hour of need will find excuses not to be able to help. I have seen it many many times, and the character of man shows greatest when it comes to putting your money and time where your mouth has been. I have personally seen a homeless man give the shirt off his back to help lost child that was cold, while many fine dressed “upstanding church members walked past”.

I can say the same for family, I have some of my own I know never to call, and i have some who might come, while a few who would fight the Devil himself to help and protect. Judge on Actions and Proof not on hopes and dreams.

Matthew 10:16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

I feel more at home in the company of sinners looking for redemption than 1,000 “Christians” on a Sunday, The Sinners want God, they thrive for his love his grace and stay hungry wanting that daily. When they meet it is often in strange places, and most often when God calls not when the preacher man calls.

I “divided” from a “denomination” a long time ago, I found when I seek God on my own he puts people in my path, he shows me things he wants me to understand. Some ministers would say “But you still need the church”.

My reply has always been, I need God and if he puts people in my life to talk to about Him and have fellowship with them about HIM, That is what Christ did? That is what the bible leads us to. Show me a verse that says: “I must attend your church”! No minister has even been able to as “That” church was not around when Christ walked.

They point to a few verses, and as I point back, yes you have many gathered in your building, Christ has many gathered on a Mount and what we were told is where two or three are gathered I will be there.

Please do not misunderstand me, I am not putting down your church and its members, if that is what you need then, that is where God has put you or lead you for now. Tomorrow it may change or never. FAITH is believing he will lead us to do his will.

But on a lighter note:
I wonder which part of the SB it was, do we have pictures of the Corning-ware, so we know which attended?
June 18, 2021 at 2:02 pm #229093
Vknid
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@Mustangride1

I agree with your summation. I think a Church and or a religion (that being a man made organization) can be of help on your path to the Lord. However, it can also hurt and lead you astray. It’s really like anything else in life where making prudent choices only helps you.

I think God wants us to be a community as much as possible and I think God wants us all to be one. But he knows with the free will he allows that is not entirely possible. So it is up to us to make the correct choices as much as we can.

Personally speaking, I am a Catholic. Do I adhere to all the tenants blindly? No. I examine each and follow things I believe are correct and avoid the ones I do not. As I recently mentioned to a Jehovah Witness friend of mine, I don’t believe there is such a thing as “the one true religion”.

That’s my take on it, not saying anyone has to agree with me.
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