Supreme Court strikes down restrictive New York gun law

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    Mustangride1
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      The Narrative:   https://www.aol.com/news/major-ruling-gun-rights-supreme-143307368-143828918.html

      The Ruling:   https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdf

       

       

      In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U. S. 570 (2008), and McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U. S. 742 (2010), we recog- nized that the Second and Fourteenth Amendments protect the right of an ordinary, law-abiding citizen to possess a handgun in the home for self-defense. In this case, petition- ers and respondents agree that ordinary, law-abiding citi- zens have a similar right to carry handguns publicly for their self-defense. We too agree, and now hold, consistent with Heller and McDonald, that the Second and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual’s right to carry a hand- gun for self-defense outside the home.

       

      Basically it makes ALL STATE go from “may issue” to “shall issue” which means pay your money for a permit if your state requires one and you shall be issued a permit to carry a gun.

      Justices should have cited  in their opinion  the 25 Constitutional Carry states and instead use the 43 shall-issue states to make OVERTURN NY gun law…. Where I see and know why they did that, its still legalese. The next case will be with 2/3rds of the states have Pure Constitutional carry as law. Then Scotus will use that to finally remove all restrictions including permit process.

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      #273650
      Vknid
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        What if a state says, “sure, we will give you a permit, that will be $10,000”?

        • This reply was modified 1 year, 10 months ago by Vknid.
        #273652
        Mustangride1
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          • Had they used the Constitutional Carry ruling it would have made the ability for people to carry without the need of a permit (paying the state a tax to carry a handgun) More toward what you are saying. But even then still fell well short of allowing people being able to have any weapon.

            Example: a Bazooka for instance would be viewed by our founders a Artillery Piece and not covered under arms. They “Our Founders” defined arms already and that is what the SCOTUS really need to do. Just go with the founders definition of “Arms” vs “Artillery Pieces.”

            If Scotus does that, then All pistols, Rifles, Shotguns, Knives and Swords would be legal for all citizens to own without government infringement which includes machine guns. Those I should note are legal with proper paperwork already (tax stamp) I should point out. This shows the only reason for the government to have the “permit restriction” it to make money off the people. The could impose a tax on the sale (the do already) and then remove the restrictions, but they like the double taxation.

            So to answer your question, they could make the cost of the permit high, however this would create the “taxation without representation” clause to be invoked as well as financial hardship and commerce clause. Certainly it would trigger an instant appeal to SCOTUS and one they would instantly take up as they hate their rulings “end arounded by states.”

            If that were to happen you would see a 6-3 ruling on the Constitutional Carry law as well. I am not sure if even the craziest Democrats would risk that ruling. It is coming without doubt, but they do not want to rush it.

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          I can’t understand the illogic of only criminals are allowed to have guns.

          So for those who have to renew such things like your driver’s license (and how slow/costly that is), just wait for all the paperwork, wait periods, costs, etc, the new permits.

          Oh, system is down, try again next month.

          Oh, we lost your paperwork, please refile.

          Oh, your security check is 2 days past the (up-to-date security check within the last 30 days).

          etc.

          If you think the false flag of voter suppression was bad, this permit suppression they WILL attempt to do will be a citizens worst mightmare, and a bureaucrat’s wet dream!

          #273664
          Mustangride1
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            Legatus, Not going to happen.

            Multiple state courts have already dealt with that problem.  The rulings including one from the 7th Circuit Court ruled they must be prompt and timely. And that the person has the right to keep and bear arms and that it extends outside of the home.

            Also and not a whisper really in the press was the same 9th Circuit said last month a restriction of 21 or younger from buying a firearm is UNCONSTITUTIONAL which should honestly made more news than this, as Scotus will surely uphold any challenge to that if they even agree to hear it.

            SCOTUS ruling today will demand speedy permit issuance.  As most permits are issued by “Police Departments” the process is simple.
            1. Take a firearms course of some type
            2. Have a background check done (takes about 5 minutes on a real busy day) that is a full NICS check

            3. Take your picture if required

            4. if step 3 is not needed they issue a conceal carry card then.

            Entire process can take with the course 1 weekend plus 6 weeks if all your info has to be sent in to the state from the firearms class. If its a simple Go to the PD pay your “administrative fee” and background check it takes less than 30 minutes.  But best of all is Constitutional Carry States, takes less than a minute to put the gun on your side :).

             

            All the drama from both sides is from people who are clueless. I have carried for over 30 years, had a permit when it was required, my permit took a 2 weeks to get including class. Then you could go on to get an “ENHANCED” class which allows you to carry on government property and schools. BTW having a permit means you do not have to have background checks in many states, simply show it and your good.

            Some states now even look at a Hunters Ed class as sufficient to fulfill the firearms class requirements.

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