The future of radical progressivism

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    Vknid
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      What follows are just my musings on the topic and is just my opinion.  I do not claim to have all the answers.

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      I live in a super conservative area but I keep bumping into folks who ,while not radical, think pretty progressively. To me, this way of thinking is born of living in good times where your life is so free of danger and worry that you all but have to invent a boogeyman to put on a pedestal so you can feel an existential crisis.  This in itself is not evil or bad.  It is human nature as I believe we are built to struggle through life in one way or another.  And if we don’t have a real struggle we will invent one.

      The problem with this is you become detached from reality and end up worrying about things that either do not exist or just are not worth the existential concern.

      So where does all this lead?  Well one of 2 things happens.  Either this radical progressivism fails as a cultural movement or it wins.  If it wins then society at some point (in my opinion) will fall to some degree into chaos.  And at this juncture REAL crisis’s will appear. And at the point where one must really be concerned about their lives, if they will eat today or who might abuse them tomorrow.. well, concerns of the nature of gender, sex or ‘ism’s/’ist’s/phobes will be a thought on no one’s mind.

      So, it will fall away in time.  The question is, does it take society with it.

      #275610

      Quite true. The core aspect of Progressivism has many precedents. Progressivism is just the latest form of an endless cavalcade of shit concepts that promote the idea of “equity”. A society where everyone is equal. It’s been tried for millennia, and it failed every single time.
      From various Greek models to some Christian models of societies with shared property (“Communism” started initially in France as a Christian movement, it wasn’t until Marx that it switched to Atheism) to the Mayflower to the notions of “All men are created equal” of the US constitution, to Lenin and the Bolshevik revolution, to Hitler who claimed that if there was racial unity, it would usher in a “classless society”, to today’s progressives and their push for equity.

      It’s all based on the same concept: Exploit the greed and fear of the lower members of society to gain the power to confiscate the wealth and essentially enslave the productive members of society. It’s anti-meritocracy.
      They’re using a simple human instict that conservatism refuses to acknowledge: tribalism. Where class warfare failed in the 19th and 20th century, they’re now pushing toward a race war. That’s not hard to do, all it takes is a few policies that make life miserable for one group, then you blame the other group for it. Humans do not live well among other humans that are not like them. That’s why all over the globe, nations developed as people chose to live among their own kind. It was a survival mechanism. Studies have shown that even babies pick their friends among their own race. We’re not raised to be racist – but we have an instinct to gravitate towards people who are “genetically more like us”. Studies have even shown humans to have elevated levels of stress when they are in a racial minority. A multiethnic society can work in theory. But in practice, it’s a powderkeg, and there will always be some dirtbag lighting a match.

      The mechanism is simple. Keep everyone on edge and fearful, and present your ideology of “equity” as the only way to prevent either oppression or violent. Tell the have-nots they are oppressed and appeal to their greed to trade freedom for more stuff – and scare the haves into surrendering their freedom for safety.

      Their model works because it’s based on human nature. As the WEF guy said, humans are now a “hackable animal”. They cracked the code. Progressivism appeals to human nature – the worst parts of it.
      Conservatism has no answer to this, because it holds on to several falsehoods, chiefly that all men are created equal and that liberty is beneficial to all. It’s not. At best, it benefits half of the population. The half with more ability. It also entirely ignores our tribalistic nature. Conservatism has no answer to the reality of a multi-ethnic society being a powderkeg that can go off at any time.
      And while the left very much embraces the idea of a final solution, conservatives are not even willing to split the country to finlly get out of the clutches and crosshairs. Nor would they even consider a more radical solution like disbanding the welfare state.
      This is the reason why the progressives will win. Conservatives can win again and again, but left really needs to win big only once.

      Yes, in time their new utopia will collapse, but the damage to humanity will be irreversible. Yes, they will take society with them.

      I see virtually no chance for reversing this anymore in the West unless indeed some messiah like figure can lead a revolution. Beyond that, we can only hope the Russians win. They’re our only hope.

      • This reply was modified 1 year, 9 months ago by Wisdom.
      #275684
      Vknid
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        “Conservatism has no answer to this, because it holds on to several falsehoods, chiefly that all men are created equal and that liberty is beneficial to all”

        You are free to believe what you want but I believe everyone is created equally. Furthermore the rights we have are bestowed unto us by God hence no one can take them away.

         

        #275750

        You missed the point. I wasn’t talking referring to “equal value” , which is what the constitution refers to, but “equal ability”. The fact is 50% of the population have nothing to gain from a free market, because they have less ability than others. That’s undeniable.
        Put every person on the globe in a 100 yard sprint, and exactly 50% will be above average and the other 50% will be below average. Makes sense, right?
        Same with intelligence (IQ is literally a quotient) and any other economically relevant ability.

        The bottom 50% do not benefit from a fair game. The bottom 50% benefit from a head start or from “cheating”. Again, makes sense, right?
        In economic terms: they benefit from redistribution of wealth.

        If you want to convince the bottom half that they can benefit from a free market, you need to lay out how. There are arguments for it. A free market is overall more efficient and less corrupt and produces more wealth overall. But it has winners and losers. When I said “conservatism has no answer to this”, I meant it in reference to this simple fact.

        My statement was economic. Conservatism need to find an answer to this problem.

        #275776
        Vknid
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          Sorry I misunderstood.  And that is true that not everyone has equal ability.  But I am not sure this is as much to do with ability (most everyone has something they are very good at) as equal gumption or drive.

          It takes work on the self to find your talents and passions (those 2 things do not always align).  It takes drive to take a risk to pursue what you want to do.  The drive is what some lack.  They are happy to have a lower standard of living and to just lay back and let others produce for them.  The fact we have systems to support that is an issue.  I am happy to pay some taxes to support a safety net for those who really need it but the welfare culture we have now is NOT that.

          In any case.  I don’t think what you put forth is an issue in itself with conservatism.  There is plenty of space in the markets for everyone to produce with what they are capable of doing.  The real issue is you have the other side essentially buying votes with the products of others.

          What is freely given to one, is forcefully taken from another.

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