The Twitter Files (Let the Disscussion Begin)
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December 3, 2022 at 8:28 am #288508
So “The Twitter Files” opened up last night, to be perfectly honest nothing in it was ground breaking. I think most of us already knew it went on and it was happening. And nothing in what we have seen so far is “CRIMINAL” on Twitters part.
Love Twitter or Hate Twitter, it was a Private company and could basically do what it wanted, and it wanted to do what a certain party wanted it to ” oh wait this aint twitter I can say it did what the Democrats Wanted it to!” And it did because its officers political views lined up with them. It did show the Government was involved “we knew that.” But it as of yet has not shown how much it was other than a few very “Meh” looking e-mails.
What is going on though is Section 230 is now going before SCOTUS and all the Companies are panicking. What will happen if 230 is removed? No one knows, surely Congress will do something to maintain some protections for the Providers. Most likely they will be protected from lawsuits for what websites “individual” such as Content creators and everyday People post. But if they “The Providers” act as publishers in any way then can be held accountable.
How so you ask? Well if a Content creator say makes a video and the Provider does anything to censor it or hold it down in the algorithm that makes them a publisher and Liable for damages. So to avoid that they will have to let things be as they may. Imagine that Content that actually is Organic in its appeal to people based on its quality.
Some argue this will force Heavy Moderation of everything to prevent illegal acts. This is 100% false, Illegal acts are already Illegal, use your brains and do not listen to click-baiters. If it is Illegal now it will be illegal then. Moderators and Owners / Admins for decades now have removed People and Post that violated rules and yes even reported post to the police that were clearly illegal. Nothing will change. At Least not in the USA….
And that brings me to the NOT USA. Now that is where we will see things get interesting, most companies already have to bow to the Nation they are in to some degree, Those Nations can choose to block a Person (they do not) or Content (they do now) or an entire App or Provider. Let them do it, lets see how long those governments stay in-tact if the people want Freedom of Speech. The worse they can do is Ban the above listed. Then they will need to answer the question to their people of why they feared free speech so much.
Now what I do find interesting, is since the SCOTUS has agreed to take up the case, I have seen advertisement in my social media sites that are leaning much more Conservative, Heck I even had Tim Pool show up as recommended on Youtube which has never happened and I do not even watch him. I also notice my notifications seem to be working better. I would say big tech is nervous.
At to the Twitter Files themself, I would bet there is A LOT of stuff Elon can expose. Stop and think about how much Personal Information is on those servers? If he exposes all the Government Officials for things like the Hunter Biden Laptop or Covid later I have no issues with it, they are public officials and should be held accountable. He also has I am sure memo’s from Twitter to other major companies and vice-versa. How far is he willing to go? Clearly not Full Freedom of Speech he has shown that with not letting Alex back on and booting Nutty-YE…. You cannot say you will have freedom of speech except for illegal acts and then boot someone off for “Hate Speech” or keep someone off because you Do not like what they said. That is truly just keeping status quo.
You want to prove to us you are changing it. Then unless it directly is calling for an illegal act of Violence it stays. Let the People Decide.
December 3, 2022 at 10:15 am #288509I watched this all live. I disagree that it is not groundbreaking, because it is. It is proof of what many knew was going on, yes, but now the cat is out of the bag. Now we will have people like James Woods who WILL sue the Democrat Party. He said he would last night. Things are going to happen. But, you see, there is more to come. This is not the end of what will be revealed.
Colluding with the democrat party to remove posts, have accounts banned, etc and other various things at their request that involve censorship and or silencing of news that reveal things about a person (and his family) running for office is illegal. Twitter being a Private company or not, a political party has no place or right legally to do that. Employee’s were even questioning if what they were doing was right or not, with good reason. This was interference in a election process. Plain and simple. And now we have proof, with more to come.
It has long been my opinion that without the interference of Twitter, Facebook, and even Youtube, Biden would not have been elected. This just helps cement that opinion.
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December 3, 2022 at 11:10 am #288512IIRC, until Musk purchased twitter and made it a private company, was not twitter considered a publicly traded company.
It has to obey the rules and regulations of the Federal Trade Commission.
What is an example of an FTC violation?
These cases can involve fraud, scams, identity theft, false advertising, privacy violations, anti-competitive behavior and more.
and
The basic statute enforced by the FTC, Section 5(a) of the FTC Act, empowers the agency to investigate and prevent unfair methods of competition, and unfair or deceptive acts or practices affecting commerce. This creates the Agency’s two primary missions: protecting competition and protecting consumers.
Protecting consumers.
Twatter was heavily involved in “deceptive acts” by promoting fake/false news by “fact checkers” (false advertising/fraud), suppressing true news for the benefits of one group (anti-competition), being actively BIASED (anti-competition), etc.
And now that PROOF of the corruption is being revealed, the DOJ and FTC must investigate the old board and bring charges against them.
Add election interference to that as well, plus active discrimination based on one’s views, violating the First Amendment and the 14th Amendment rights, etc.
By 1937, freedom of speech, press, religion, assembly, and petition had all been “incorporated” into the 14th Amendment’s due process clause. This meant that these First Amendment freedoms were now also part of the 14th Amendment..
Freedom of speech violations! (banned for talking/linking to news/opinions).
Freedom of the press violations! (banning stories and reporters and news sites from reporting news).
Freedom of religion violations! (banning of conservatives because of their conservative views, etc).
It was NOT just a random person doing it, but was an organized and authorized and controlled from the very top of twatter.
So when it came to Musk firing the board members “for just cause”, I would say HELL YAY he was!
December 3, 2022 at 11:15 am #288515How can this be ground breaking if we all knew it?
All we got was selected information released that looks like some people at twitter were working with Political Operatives (We knew that already) But I want to see the entire chain not just bits and pieces. Show us everything so we have the full picture not just what someone might want us to see.As to James Wood, let him and I HOPE he wins, and a class-action would be great. But as to the Interference directly.
The interference part will have to be proven out through the courts and that will take a long time sad to say, so its legality is actually in limbo. But is it actually interference?
Twitter and others are “Private Companies” They as has been pointed out many time can do what they want. They can squash all points of view not their own if they want on their platform.
But what is the Law?
This is the LAW18 U.S. Code § 595 – Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments
U.S. CodeWhoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
This section shall not prohibit or make unlawful any act by any officer or employee of any educational or research institution, establishment, agency, or system which is supported in whole or in part by any state or political subdivision thereof, or by the District of Columbia or by any Territory or Possession of the United States; or by any recognized religious, philanthropic or cultural organization.
So as to the first: “in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof”
It will have to be shown that an Agency or the Government was attempting to Silence people. Much of what we know was the DNC was without doubt but also it appears the Republicans were. Is that a violation of the 1st Amendment? 100% no doubt it is. James and Other will have to get permission to sue the Government, yes that is actually a thing. And they will, and on 1st amendment grounds should win.
Will they be able to sue Twitter and other “Private Companies” for this. That answer will be NO “imo” as they are private companies and can remove anyone for any reason they want.
But election interference will be a different story.
There is plenty of proof they asked for silencing of a news story. But is that Interfering (I put in bold above) with the Nomination? Biden was Nominated and Elected. That will most likely be what the courts look at when ruling on this. That answer is NO, based purely on the fact he is POTUS now. That fact is undeniable.
Did the suppression of the news affect the outcome of the election. Courts do not rule in “Maybe, Possibly, I think so, our personal opinion is (x)” They rule on facts and its easily argued that there is no way to know for sure. So again the answer is NO.
Even you admit “Your Opinion” and Mine is the Same do not get me wrong. But that is our Opinion and unfortunately being honest I cannot say that he would not have been elected, Many people did not like Trump and Still do not. That in itself is “reasonable doubt” So on election interference there is NO CRIME from what we have seen so far.
Can more come out that prove beyond doubt there was? No not to me, in this case, as Biden was Nominated and did Win. That is the problem here, and the question, is suppressing or not covering a story election interference? That answer is no currently as you cannot force someone to cover news or allow it on a private platform.
So long as 230 is in place, all these companies are safe.
Now you remove 230 and make them Liable for manipulating free-speech in all the ways we know they do now. Then I would say yes they are civilly liable for damages to people like James Woods and the rest of the people. Could they also be hit with election interference (NO) they are not the government or part of it.
December 3, 2022 at 11:22 am #288517It’s groundbreaking because while people who paid attention knew this was the case, those who did not believed the MSM lies. NOW we have proof to show we were right AND to convince those who don’t dig deep enough into the news to know better.
If you boil it all down it’s very important because Twitter was used to reflect “public opinion”. So many talking heads would say, well this is relevant or important because it got so many retweets and likes. And the reality is all that was total BS. Those who controlled the most bots essentially swayed public opinion.
So at the end of the day, “public opinion” was false, fake and probably government controlled.
December 3, 2022 at 11:50 am #288518Its ground breaking because we have the proof, its not just us saying it. You can scream it was Mrs white in the ballroom with the candle stick the whole game, but until you open the envelope and show the cards you have no proof, you are just making a guess based on information you think you have. You dont have the emails, you dont have them saying out right, we know we are wrong, we just dont care.
December 3, 2022 at 1:42 pm #288525I think you all are missing my point…. Everyone knew… Right Left Middle and the man on the moon. I know crazy ass liberals who believed it and did not care because it was their side using it against the other side….
We already had the proof and have for a long time, people being censored and or accounts suspended. That was proof, in your face clear as day proof, and undeniable. These e-mails are nothing that was not already proven to be true by the actions taken.
So it is not ground breaking news to anyone except maybe a few (who are still trying to make excuses and shill for the dems) but they know. Ground Breaking will be if anyone is actually Charged, Arrest and Jailed for it, or at minimum lose their Political Position aka Senator or House member removed or forced to be resign. Now that would be Ground Breaking. Hell that would be a Miracle.
Again show us something we did not already know, that will be groundbreaking news. Personally I think this is coming out for 3 reasons.
1. SCOTUS Cases
2. House will be conducting investigations on this
3. And this is probably the most important part, Section 230, Elon wants it gone, and this actually aids the above 2 groups who can make that happen. SCOTUS possibly faster than the Congress.
December 3, 2022 at 6:27 pm #288543I think you have a lot of moderates or some folks who don’t pay attention to news and politics like we do who might not think Twitter was a propaganda machine until they see some of what was released.
December 4, 2022 at 2:56 am #288565We have differing views on what “groundbreaking” are. Again, yes we all “knew” this stuff was happening, but having the visual documents of proof validates and gives momentum. It can be a cause for change. Open some eyes. We’ll see if anything comes of it, because as we all know “the left” are prone to dirty disgusting tricks, lies, and spin. That is what got us here in the first place frankly. If things do happen, then I will still call it “groundbreaking”. Most of the major news networks are silent to barely a whisper of this, and there is a reason for that….they don’t want this all exposed because they were in on all the deception, missinformation, and hiding things too.
December 4, 2022 at 4:12 am #288571The other thing about having documentation and or a paper trail that such a thing happened is that if there were to be legal implications you have proof/evidence.
December 4, 2022 at 8:54 am #288577The more I think about it the more I have to think this is being done because Elon knows Congress is about to hold hearings and they can subpoena the documents. Its a Preemptive move. Smart one as well, if he has all this dirt and makes it all available to the public, he does multiple things.
1st He shows cause for the termination of many people. That may not seem like much to some, but it taints them if they go anyplace else.
2nd He looks like a Hero to many, good pr is never bad when you see the winds of change blowing.
3rd When he and twitter get called to Congress, and surely they will. He will be able to say to them I already shared all that undermining many attacks.
4th This may well be him getting revenge on people, government has long pissed him off and now he has access to a lot of information that will help him get it.
Elon is like a Russian Submarine Commander, and we all know what they say about them.
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