Trump was a necessary step, but he should not run again

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January 27, 2022 at 5:17 pm #254777
Vknid
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I think Trump and the movement behind him was a needed body shot to the establishment. This also had the effect of getting many more people paying attention to what was going on.

However, he does not need to run again. Why? Well I think while his intentions were good but his execution was poor. Not all of that is his fault, he had a lot against him. And maybe he would be better a second time. But his age is a serious issue for me.

At the end of the day I rather Trump handpick someone to be “the guy” and then put his weight behind him. Another words, let Trump lead the movement but let someone else run for President. Maybe Desantis, I don’t know for sure. But I think Trump could lead the movement and do his thing WITHOUT being in office. I think he is stronger that way and the movement is stronger.

Just my thoughts on it. I am sure many would disagree and that is perfectly OK.
January 27, 2022 at 5:56 pm #254781
Audie
His age and health should be considered, but if he’s still of sound mind and in good health at the age he’ll be when he runs, then I’ve no problem with him running. He’s led the movement by being the one in the office, and as much respect as I have for people like Rush Limbaugh and other conservative talkers, Trump being in office was just more effective than all the talk.
January 27, 2022 at 6:38 pm #254784
Legatus_Legionis
I think Trump is needed more than ever before.

The failures of the current admin are a threat to the us and the free democratic world.

And like you said, POTUS Trump had some poor execution, and that should help him for his second term.

Learning from them, and improving on it.

I also wish the US would adopt a “Max age” to serve in all three (senate, congress, wh), and that they all must PASS a medical and mental health exam before they get into the nomination stage, as well as a MAX number of terms/years for the senate and congress as well.
January 27, 2022 at 8:29 pm #254792
TowLiquor
I agree with the age thing, but you cant deny he started a movement. Too many people now want the America First agenda that he has started. Desantis heck yes, but why not Marjorie Taylor Green? Shes pro America first. and it would light one big fire under the lefts ass if we put the first woman in the oval office.
January 27, 2022 at 10:25 pm #254825
mpsorrentino
DeSantis/Green 2024 with Trump backing them
January 28, 2022 at 2:27 am #254830
Vknid
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@Audie

That’s the thing. I don’t think he was that effective from a legislative standpoint. That’s not to say he did not accomplish anything but much of what he did was by executive order which I wholly disagree with. Why? A president is not a king and should not have that kind of unilateral power. Not to mention all that happens with those is the next guy in just undoes them.

One of the things Trump was seen as a success for, the wall, I disagree with. Why? The wall is not in itself a bad thing however if you really want to stop them from coming you need to remove the reasons they do. Stop the freebies and the jobs and they will self deport. All it would take is to arrest a few CEOs for hiring them and that crap would come to a halt. But Trump did not do that and I suspect it was due to his big business allegiances because some companies depend on that pool of “slave” labor.

Again, I am glad Trump won. He was needed but now it’s time for someone else to be president whom might be more effective from a legislative standpoint. Let Trump lead the movement just without the presidency.
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January 28, 2022 at 4:22 am #254832
SuperSoynic_Speed
While I think Trump did a lot of good things and overall was a good president in my opinion, I think he also did some really dumb things. But by far the worst part of his presidency was the amount of mentally ill conspiracy theorists raising their heads and doing some fucked up things, and the worst part is that because of the influence America has, insane people in other countries starte to imitate it.

Even here in fucking Finland we suddenly had after the not so peaceful January 6th riot small groups of mentally unstable people marching out to claim Trump is Jesus reincarnated and will expose all the pedo lizard people and some batshit crazy priests who called themselves ”prophets of patriotism” who started to predict how everything was just Trump’s plan and he will resurrect dead conservative presidents in Finland and when people started mocking these priests and asking ”well can you at least tell when this is gonna happen?” they just delete all the comments which don’t line up with their psychotic agenda. It’s insane.

So to summarize, Trump himself I can give a thumbs up but his effect on his batshit crazy stans who jizz their pants everytime he opens his mouth is a problem. It’s similar to my view on anime or kpop. I like them, but I despise their delusional insane fans.
January 28, 2022 at 8:57 am #254834
Vknid
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There are wacky folks on all sides. Every “tribe” has their nuts.
January 28, 2022 at 10:39 am #254838
Nagirdnal
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His age doesn’t concern me. He’s still able to play golf and give speeches that last hours. He also stated that he will be the 47th president, of course that doesn’t mean he will run again. He may just be reinstalled as the rightful president but we’ll have to wait and see.
February 5, 2022 at 11:09 am #256253
Rayjaysworld
We will see what happens. Personally I think Trump should Step Back and let Ron DeSantis or Rand Paul Run. For many Reasons one. When he got the Presidency. He Dividid a lot of People, I cannot Talk To my own Father for that Reason (he is nevertrump, while I support Trump). Second when Trump is Still going on about Being Cheated in 2020. Though I agree Shinanigans went on, I feel it’s pushing the other Side to Arrest Trump more and more. Sure Trump says if he is arrested there will be protests nationwide. But would protest free Trump. No I mean look what they are doing to the Jan 6th prisoners. And if they arrest Trump they will Try him for Treason (punishment is Death) so the Elites can be Rid of him.
February 7, 2022 at 2:06 pm #256504
Blood.Ranger
I think Ron Desantis is the best and most logical choice to continue what Trump did as he is much younger and can do things without getting too crazy.
February 7, 2022 at 4:11 pm #256518
Vknid
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@Blood.Ranger

Trump is like a spicy sauce. He needs to be paired with something that drops the heat level a little bit. I think he should continue the movement but let someone else run that he can put his enthusiasm behind. I believe the movement is far stronger that way as a whole. Trump alone, while well intentioned most of the time, is a bit too divisive. While that IS needed sometimes, it’s not needed 24/7/365. Just my 2 cents.
February 7, 2022 at 4:58 pm #256520
Roccandil
I’d wholeheartedly support Trump running again. The idea that he is somehow “divisive” for attacking back anyone who attacked him is hypocritical nonsense.

The Left is divisive, not Trump. I’m done sitting back and letting the globalists who want to destroy me and my country say what they please without fighting back, and I approve of Trump doing so.

Having said that, it was obvious to me that while Trump would attack back, what he really enjoyed was finding people he could brag on. :)
February 8, 2022 at 6:54 am #256555
Vknid
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@Roccandil

“The idea that he is somehow “divisive” for attacking back anyone who attacked him is hypocritical nonsense.”

You are assuming what I think. I never said why I thought he was divisive. I have zero issue with him defending himself and doing so with zeal. So you can drop that hypocrisy charge.

The reason he is divisive is when he attacks when he ISN’T defending himself. His use of Twitter was equal parts genius and harmful (to himself). To poke the bear without being poked first is seen as taking advantage of your position. We can discuss whether that is appropriate or not but that has nothing to do with the perception.

With that said Trump is Trump. Like anyone the good comes with the bad. He is a bull in a China shop and previously that is EXACTLY what we needed. Now that we have the attention of the country, we need a slightly more measured approach. We still need someone who will throw plenty of punches, just not someone who on occasion swings wildly.

This is not at all to say Trump has no place in the equation. He has a YUGE place. He needs to continue to lead the movement, just not from the oval office. Leading the movement and being president are 2 different jobs requiring different aptitudes.
February 8, 2022 at 12:53 pm #256586
Roccandil
“The reason he is divisive is when he attacks when he ISN’T defending himself. His use of Twitter was equal parts genius and harmful (to himself). To poke the bear without being poked first is seen as taking advantage of your position. We can discuss whether that is appropriate or not but that has nothing to do with the perception.”

Nonsense. I’m through with “perception”-based politics. Anyone who can swallow the functional destruction of the Left while straining at Trump’s “mean tweets” is simply a useful idiot to the elites, and I’m not interested in pandering to either the idiots or the elites.
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