‘Vaccine passports’ are on the way – “CAN WE SEE YOUR PAPER!”
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March 28, 2021 at 3:47 pm #215206
‘Vaccine passports’ are on the way
The Biden administration and private companies are working to develop a standard way of handling credentials — often referred to as “vaccine passports” — that would allow Americans to prove they have been vaccinated against the novel coronavirus as businesses try to reopen.
That is right.
So they want to know you have the mark of the beast… ah oh.. proof of vaccination.
…with a growing number of companies — from cruise lines to sports teams — saying they will require proof of vaccination before opening their doors again.
So without the proof, they can deny your rights and can deny to offer you their services? Is that what it is coming to?
“The busboy, the janitor, the waiter that works at a restaurant, wants to be surrounded by employees that are going back to work safely — and wants to have the patrons ideally be safe as well,” said Brian Anderson, a physician at Mitre, a nonprofit company that runs federally funded research centers, who is helping lead the initiative. “Creating an environment for those vulnerable populations to get back to work safely — and to know that the people coming back to their business are ‘safe,’ and vaccinated —…”
And those who decide NOT to get the vac, or are unable to (for whatever reasons), are you saying you want them to be denied being able to work?
There is evidence vaccine passports could motivate skeptical Americans to get shots. Several vaccine-hesitant participants at a recent focus group of Trump voters led by pollster Frank Luntz suggested their desire to see family, go on vacation and resume other aspects of daily life outpaced fear of the shots, particularly if travel companies and others moved to require proof of vaccination.
Sorry, without the mark of the beast (vaccine passport) you cannot work, you cannot travel, you cannot enter a business (and buy goods or services), you are going to be a non-person, a second-class individual! ? !
“If it became a government mandate, it would go down a dark road very quickly,” said Brian C. Castrucci, who leads the Bethesda, Md.-based de Beaumont Foundation, a public health group funding Luntz’s research into why some Americans are balking at the vaccine. “It becomes a credential. It becomes a ‘needing your papers,’ if you will. That could be dangerous — and it could turn off people.”
By proving your have the vaccine passport is a must, but proving you are legally allowed to vote is not?
Does anyone else see the hypocrisy with the kamala/biden administration?
Gess, what type of government in the 20th century required people to prove who they are, on the spot, with having to show their “papers” or be detained/denied rights? Is that the path we want to go in? It sure looks more and more like that in this administration.
March 28, 2021 at 4:01 pm #215209It’s not just in the USA, but everywhere around the globe. Humanity is being persuaded and lured into taking this questionable “cure”. Sadly humanity is too divided and not truly united to fight against this madness.
March 28, 2021 at 10:21 pm #215278@Legatus_Legionis Quebec has already started with digital vaccination passport… I hope BC will not go that route, although I’m not holding my breath…
March 28, 2021 at 10:38 pm #215279I got a card saying I was vaccinated with my shot. I only did it to keep my job, because a month ago the CEO was saying he was going to make being vaccinated a requirement to retain employment with our company since we are in and out of tenants apartments all day. The week after I got mine he sent out another email stating that the board voted down his firing anyone who doesn’t get it. He even claimed he got it through legal, that I doubt.
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March 29, 2021 at 8:50 am #215323The government has no power to do this. Has no one read the Constitution?
March 29, 2021 at 10:00 am #215337@MrDragonbane, I have, no the Constitution does not protect you from having to get the vaccine.
Because there is no protection in the Constitution 4th 5th and 14th Amendment. It in fact was settled in the Supreme Court of the United States:
Jacobson
v.
Massachusetts.
1905Now as to business’s requiring it, addressed in a previous thread but Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act does give employee’s some cover and leeway on religious grounds “upheld by SCOTUS”.
Can a business keep a person out if they do not show papers. This is undecided at this point but case law would go to the ADA Laws and under those NO.
However this might all be made moot if the Government makes a law be it the state or federal. And then it will be tied up in court for years.This thing has been political from DAY FUCKING 1, so bet on it getting even more political. Sad that something that can and has killed people was made political when it should have been everyone working to destroy it… More-so and not discussed, if this “vaccine/cure” is real, it goes to show when so much is brought to bear at something how fast without all the redtape it can be cured. Would be nice to see that focused at Diabetes, Cancer etc. But those are BIG $$$$$ for Pharma, curing the cash-cow is business suicide is why we havent.
March 29, 2021 at 10:08 am #215339The government has no power to do this. Has no one read the Constitution?
Where have you been for the last decade?
The “education” (indoctrination) system does not teach you to read, only how to blindly follow the talking points, (mob mentality), the need for safe spaces (because they don’t know how to build character), etc.
Too many of them think it is an archaic (freedom, rights, democracy, etc) piece of paper that should be recycled (after they use it to wipe their soiled bottoms with).
As they have not learned from history (as it is not taught in school either), they want to repeat past mistakes and hope for a different result.
How did Roman Empire fall? Their citizens no longer cared for the rule of law, became self absorbed, became deprived, etc. (just like so many are pointing out is happening to the west and the usa.)
Too many have been calling for the de-platforming, the de-humanizing, de-person, do not server/interact with others, etc. this requirement to have a “vaccine passport” is just one more way they want to divide the nation and force segregation.
March 29, 2021 at 10:52 am #215353A large portion of kids today cannot read “cursive” even larger portion of the American Society has no clue what the Federalist and Anti-Federalist are and if they have even heard of one its the Federalist Papers. Schools pass children now not on merit or accomplishment but on a Mentality of no one should be left behind or fail.
Our Education system is as you say an indoctrination institute, we have seen those before through History and ALL lead to the Destruction of the Nation. I have learned one thing in this life of mine that is a certainty.
Humanity will not be destroyed from outside this planet, nor even a cataclysmic event. Humanity will be Destroyed because it refuses to learn from the past and will continue to make the same devastating mistakes until one day it destroys from past mistakes compounded to the point of ultimate destruction.
March 29, 2021 at 5:31 pm #215397@Mustangride1 Oklahoma is a right to work state. They can fire me for any reason they chose to, and I can’t retaliate.
March 29, 2021 at 7:42 pm #215422I thought I would put this in here, as it relates directly.
Some lawmakers back bill to prevent employers from making COVID-19 vaccine mandatory
Lawmakers in Springfield could soon consider a measure that would prevent employers from mandating COVID-19 vaccines as a condition of employment.
My body, my choice!
The bill, sponsored by state Rep. Joe Sosnowski, R-Rockford, would only apply to vaccines approved under the Food and Drug Administration’s emergency-use authorization.
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“While vaccinations are in an emergency review process, I don’t think it’s appropriate that any business, government, or other agency would require them,” Sosnowski said. “Once they receive full FDA approval, that’s a different story, as we see with requirements for flu vaccinations for medical personnel and at hospitals.”
Sosnowski said this measure would help protect the individual rights of employees around the state.
So are you saying, when a vaccine gets full FDA approval your employer can fire you if you don’t get it.
It becomes a little bit worrisome in the mad rush to mandate and require everything because then it opens the door for future vaccinations,” Sosnowski said. “Again, we want to give people the choice. We want to take into account public safety.”
So the choice, as I read it is, you can wait to take the vaccine for now.
Recent guidance from the EEOC makes clear federal law would allow employers to require vaccinations that protect the health and safety of others, including COVID-19 vaccines. Sosnowski said this measure would carve out an exemption in the state.
“That’s already protected by federal laws. At the state level, we can’t do anything to change that,” Sosnowski said. “This is just dealing with emergency-issue vaccinations only.”
But once it is fully approved you will be FORCED to take it (or prove you already had taken it) or your employer can fire you!
After full FDA approval, these restrictions would not apply, leaving the door open for requirements in the future.
The flu shots, being fully approved by the FDA, if someone does not get a flu shot, they could be fired?
As the flu is a health and safety issue of others, they can use that logic on you. What sort of choice is that?
March 29, 2021 at 7:45 pm #215423@Emeraldknight
Not true, I am licensed in OK and I can NOT fire someone for multiple reasons. People dont really understand “right to work”, Right to work in OK as in most states has NOTHING to do with a persons right to work, but has to do with Unions and being forced to be in one as a condition of employment (in short).As an employer I or others are governed be Law and Termination for say Race, Creed, Color, Religion or RELIGIOUS BELIEFS would have an employer paying a large chunk for a wrongful termination. Let me clarify, I can always find a way to fire someone, but if my (I’s were not Doted and T’S not crossed) in a lawsuit I could lose. Also in this day there is a social justice aspect to be concerned about. Right to work has its limitations and those fall under case precedence ruled on by SCOTUS.
If I was to fire someone for NOT getting a shot, In this area of the country it could go very bad for me on social media and in the press, so i would weigh that in to if I wanted to risk it. Then there is the ADA, though its ruled already about the legality of immunizations there is a possibility this might be looked at different as even the CDC still cannot say if this is truly effective or not or other effects it may have. So again something I would think about. Finally if you said it was based on religious convictions that one right there I would never challenge.
I was advised early on in business to go to school and take Business and Conlaw so i did, i think they kept me out of lawsuits, but many business’s dont have a clue or have lawyers and dont use them until its to late and they are being sued. Some do and then find out later even the advise got them in hot water with social media… To me (and only me) I had a policy of NOT getting involved in anything personal to employees health or religion. My sick time for employees was never limited to days, I figured if they were valuable to me to hire, they could take off all the time they needed WITH PAY within reason (each reason may vary) and Religion was only a few missed days a year at best or special events and I personally thought that was a asset to the company so they as well got them off.
March 29, 2021 at 10:34 pm #215475@Mustangride1 good to know. I was miss informed.
March 30, 2021 at 8:34 am #215535Power not granted to the federal government is reserved to the states. If the states are denied said power it is reserved to the people.
The state / FED have no power to prevent you from finding work. They have no power to force you do recieve medicication as they have no right to be in the medical field.
March 30, 2021 at 9:19 am #215538@MrDragonbane, all do respect, it is settled case law, The State(s) and Employers DO have the Legal Authority to require a person(s) to be vaccinated, I gave you the specific case law as upheld by SCOTUS and is the law of the land unless altered by State Legislatures or the US Congress. You do not have to like it but it is nonetheless the law, with limited exceptions.
So your citing of the Tenth Amendment is actually validating the legality of the law as it is DONE under Authority of the State(s) legislatures.
There is some legal arguments that could be made in future cases such as 1st Amendment and possibly 14th Amendment but right now that is all speculative, and the law still holds they (the states) have the authority. Employers in States whom have those laws are subject to adhering to the mandate of law. States who do not have such law the employee has the ability to take it to court as then the company is in possible civil liberties violations. But this last sentence is speculative until an actual case is filed.
March 30, 2021 at 9:36 am #215542Ehh, what if someone’s allergic to the vax??
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