What Do You Do When An Anime Doesn’t Fully Satisfy You?

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    So yesterday I watched and reviewed Evangelion 3.0+1.0 Thrice Upon a Time, the conclusion to the Rebuild of Evangelion Project in which Hideaki Anno decided to remake his original animated version while not being depressed and slightly nutz. I’m not going to talk about the series per say here, but some feelings that arose out of watching it caused me to come up with a question for my fellow members who watch lots and lots of anime. If you would like to hear my thoughts on the movie, then check it out at my YouTube Channel or Odysee.

    WARNING! Slight Spoilers Ahead for Thrice Upon A Time

     

    Okay, you’ve been warned.

    So, if you have been an Eva fan for decades like myself, you may fall into the category of feeling that as far as relationships go in that, Shinji and Asuka were supposed to end up together after a long and bumpy road where both of them had to grow up. I always felt that each of them provided to the other what he and she lacked, and that as they grew they would learn from one another how to be better people. In just about all versions and alternate realities of Eva, they always are either on track or shown to be gravitating towards one another through mutual attraction.

    But at the end of Thrice Upon A Time, suddenly at the end of the movie, without zero true ground work or reasoning as far as I can see it over the 4 movies…with a happy ending handed to us, Shinji runs off to enjoy life with Mari Illustrious in hand???

    Huh?

    Mari was a interestingish new addition to all of this, and if a case had been made well I would have been willing to accept this, but to suddenly have this happen, with all the decades of Shinji and Asuka history I’m carrying around, and besides the fact that I like Shinju and Asuka together, this one moment left me from totally liking the movie as a once and for all conclusion to the Eva saga. Even after 24 hours I’m still trying to get my head around it, even in odd moments replaying the scene with Asuka instead of Mari (I can do that kinda thing with partial photographic memory) and a few lines of dialogue changed to more suit Asuka than Mari.

    My point is in bringing this up is that not for the first time in my long Anime history, do I find myself mostly satisfied with an ending, yet a single moment, which usually has to do with romance, has me unable to be fully at rest and pleased. This is exactly why I never buy series for my shelf until they are concluded, because a single moment like this can ruin it for me, and I honestly now never want to revisit the Eva universe ever again.

    So my question to all of you is, does this happen to you as well?

    When it does happen, how do you deal with it?

    Right now, I’m choosing to try and push Eva out of my immediate thoughts by going to a series where I know I’m going to get my couple satisfaction. My current tonic is Sword Art Online where Kirito and Asuna’s relationship will more than warm my fanboy heart and give me what I want right now….and it also helps I was planning a full rewatch anyways sooner rather than later of SAO in its entirety to date.

     

    • This topic was modified 2 years, 8 months ago by Roas.
    #236931
    DigiCat
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      Huh, i didn’t know you were the romantic type 😁

      I will admit i’m not the biggest Evangelion fan and have only watched the original series, so i don’t know how much Asuka has matured after that, that said, the first thing that comes to mind when i think of Asuka is… narcissistic, the way she treats Shinji in the series points completely in the direction that if she and Shinji ever got together it would be a pretty damn toxic relationship, after seeing Asuka’s backstory i can understand where she’s coming from, why she turned out the way she is, but that’s no excuse to treat other people like shit, and knowing some narcissistic people in real life, i can tell you for sure, no matter how much time passes, they never change

      So my question to all of you is, does this happen to you as well?

      When it does happen, how do you deal with it?

      For me it’s not a big deal, if the anime still has a compelling story and characters i can relate to, i don’t really care if i don’t agree with their romantic choices

      There are other ways an anime might not fully satisfy me, but it usually has to do with the pacing of a show, or the battles and powers, maybe i think a battle dragged out too many episodes or was too rushed, it’s still not enough to effect my overall enjoyment of the anime though

      #236932

      After I watched the first series of ‘Castlevania’ I was hesitant in carrying on as I wasn’t sure what to think of it after only four episodes. Then I just shrugged and thought “If I get part way through the second series and I don’t like it I can just stop watching it”. Turned out that I really liked it and fully enjoyed the animation style (holy SHIT but the animation on the battle on the fourth series with Death was amazing😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲😲!). Yes the scenes with Camila felt a bit woke with her raving on about “smelly old men” but they were a minor inconvenience.

      #236944

      Switch to Hentai and you’ll always be satisfied. Giggity GOO!

      #236957
      DigiCat
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        #236984

        Frankly not impressed with Memory, Sorrow and Thorn or where DBZ went for ex (notably with the end of the Cell games, as I liked Goku and Gohan, and despise Vegeta) or how Cardcaptors ended up. Yet my tonic is Suikoden (the 90s game, which I’m playing for the channel), LoTR and for anime/manga, Yu Yu Hakusho, Anatolia Story and Zeta Gundam.

        #237281

        I hated the remake movies of Code Geass. CG is my all time favorite anime and then I heard they’re gonn make a movie 10 years later I got excited (even thi CG had a perfect ending). Then I heard they’re gonna remake CG into movies before making the sequel movie, and I was like okay well maybe add some new scenes and compress them to movies for those who wanna refresh their memories.

        But after hearing that they changed the plot and a certain character actually doesn’t die in the remake (whose death changed the main character and made the death of another character even more conflicted and dramatic), and that this character would exist in the sequel movie, I decided to ignore it and go back to believing Code Geass ended at season 2.

        #237582

        One that I can think of that didn’t impress me was the first half of Sailor Moon R with the two shape-shifting aliens in. It just felt…off for me. Then there was Sailor Moon S that really didn’t impress me with the additions of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto (despite Veronica Taylor voicing Pluto). I sort of liked them more on the manga especially Pluto but I thought Uranus came of as way too heartless and unlikeable for me on the animi. Neptune was just…boring. SuperS was better though and made up for the last two with the addition of the Pegasus (I’m a sucker for horses. Especially flying horses lol).

        #237589

        @DigiCat Asuka isn’t a narcissist, though. She’s the tsundere archetype; she may act mean and aggressive sometimes, but that’s her idea of appearing “strong” because deep down she’s insecure and is afraid of showing vulnerability. Narcissists tend to be psychopaths without regard for feelings of others. Tsundere characters like Asuka aren’t in love with themselves: They act the way they do because they don’t want anyone to suspect how they really feel, because often they’re not certain of their own feelings themselves. They’re basically the “hard to get” love interest in many stories in anime, and often end up becoming the main heroine and primary LI in the end.

        Granted, it’s bit different in reality. While men tend to have a weakness for this type of character, IRL it would just drive them nuts because they can’t stand women who play mind games (the duality of man, lol). I guess it’s the equivalent of women who like bad boys; it’s a fantasy which rarely turns out well in the real world.

        Anyway, onto the topic title if there was one anime which failed to satisfy it was definitely Naruto. Kishimoto ran on many strong themes and ideals throughout the series run, but it when came to the conclusion he didn’t just fail to stick the landing, he just… straight-up abandoned these concepts all-together. By far the most egregious example was how Naruto’s main goal, to become Hokage, which should have been the series biggest achievement, ends up becoming a mere afterthought (to make matters worse, we never actually see it happen in the main series: It was relegated to a single bonus chapter, where, on his inauguration day, he is knocked unconscious by his own child, and thus misses out on the most important day of his life).

        That was definitely the final nail in the coffin for me, seeing the main goal and dream of the protagonist being reduced to a “cute joke.” I was kind of amazed at myself for tolerating the general decline of the series as long as I did, but I had invested myself quite a bit into the franchise and wanted to see it through to the end. Almost wished I hadn’t, as those who decided to jump ship midway through made the right decision.

        It’s been roughly seven years since the series ended, and time heals all wounds, as the saying goes. I find myself still enjoying what I used to like about this series (even played a bit of the CyberConnect 2 video games). But it’s hard to fully enjoy on the same level knowing how it all plays out now, and I find myself pining for how much potential this series had and how it went largely untapped. In the end, I came to accept that Kishimoto wasn’t as good a writer as I thought; that he didn’t have much clue as to what kind of story he wanted to tell and relied far too much on the input of his editors. I’ve since tried to move on by watching infinitely better anime, and can only hope day I might find a series similar to Naruto but learns from Kishimoto’s mistakes.

        #237591

        For anyone who’s not seen Naruto: This is the equivalent of Freeza hanging around the Dragon Ball gang as though the events on Namek never happened.

        This isn’t a parody or after-credits skit, it’s 100% canon. Orochimaru is an international terrorist. Never mind a proper redemption arc; they just don’t bother even giving him one.

        I can’t even get mad. It’s bad, but in a “Batman & Robin” kind of way.

        #238180

        Well, Evangelion was never about romance, thats not the point of movies, tv shows or manga (the main ones that is). In the Rebuilds they never really developed Shinji and Asukas relationship, it consistent tru all movies. So no wonder they didnt end up together. From all the girls Mari was the only one who flirted with Shinji and didnt insult him. The worst was maybe she called him a puppy, but I didnt see it as condescending. So it does makes sense Shinji would pick her. I dont really get why they would make them a couple at the end in the first place, because the ending is similar to the manga, its just Shinji didnt end up with anyone there, they could have just use that, it doesnt change anything. They could have used more time to develop it in that case, yes, but saying “it doesnt make sense” is not really a legit argument.

        I dont really get this obsession with romances and shipping in not shoujo or similar animes. If relationships are badly developed in those then yes, thats a big problem, cuz thats kinda the point lol If you are watching something like Evangelion for romance then yes, you are gonna be disappointed, haha.

        Yea, I get that sometimes it can be frustrating when authors dont develop enough relationship and then two characters just end up together like in Naruto manga when Naruto and Hinata ended up together without much build up, but it doesnt make the anime or manga bad exactly. You just need to set your expectations right.

        #238459

        @Sajjux You are basically correct in that people do get a bit too invested in shipping (especially in shonen, which isn’t known to have romance as its forte) and that pairing two characters off doesn’t suddenly make the writing good. I still remember the proverbial shitstorm that followed Naruto’s ending when Kishimoto paired off random characters in the last chapter. The Naruto fandom had long been one of the worst fandoms in regards to “shipping wars” and the resulting salt mines were both enormous and kinda hilarious.

        To me, though, “and they all got married and had kids” is a bit of hollow ending that fails to address all the systemic issues that were brought up over the course of the story, that created atrocities like the Uchiha Clan Massacre, and we weren’t told whether sweeping reforms were introduced to address those issues. It was just “PEACE HAS BEEN ACHIEVED MAYBE. The End.”

        I personally would’ve been okay with Naruto and Hinata ending up together, if it had just been done well. Instead Neji was seemingly sacrificed for that ship (he deserved better than that) and Naruto ultimately had to be genjustu’d into it (apparently in the Last novella adaptation there this stupid line which says something to the effect of how Naruto “felt guilty about ignoring Hinata’s feelings, and that he should be punished.” Hinata is Naruto’s punishment LMAO).

        I admit I did have preference for Naruto and Sakura, but if it had been done without overcoming their rather… complex emotional problems and Sakura growing as a person, it would’ve been unsatisfying. So maybe for it’s best that Kishimoto abandoned that particular subplot, given that he, and anyone else involved, couldn’t write for toffee (if you took the Last’s bad writing and just replaced Hinata with Sakura I probably would’ve broken something).

        But the main issue I had with Naruto’s finale was how my boy Madara was done dirty. While he could rightfully have been called a Villain-Sue, Madara was the over-arcing villain of Part II who set the events in motion and was the lynch-pin of the story. He was totally overpowered but as someone who had been fighting and honing his skills on the battlefield since he was a small boy his abilities felt earned. While I thought the Tobi/Obito reveal was kinda dumb and contrived, he was acting in Madara’s name so the effect was still the same in building him up as the final boss. He had ideals that directly conflicted with the heroes and the conviction to see them through. He was one of the founders of the Hidden Leaf village, so he effectively had a connection to all the protagonists as one of their most important historical figures.

        All of this was traded out at the eleventh hour for a Rabbit Princess from the moon that was bland as a sheet of blank paper. Definitely when Naruto jumped the shark for me.

        Ultimately what bothered me about the ending was how the characters felt like they had their own personal agency taken away and were reduced to mere ciphers. Post-2014, the franchise now feels uninspired and is just riding on the coattails of its previous success. Naruto could’ve been a gem of a story, on par with FMA or SnK, but it’s like Kishimoto just didn’t know what to do with it and/or plan it out very well, so the end result was pretty mediocre.

        #238479

        Yea, its all about how you write relationships, you dont need some sort of arcs dedicated specifically to romance in shounen, but if you want to pair characters up in the end, you need some good subtle groundwork. I think in Dragon Ball Toriyama paired up Chi Chi and Goku very well given the circumstances. At the end you dont go “Wait, what?”. Vegeta and Bulma seemed kinda random yes, but, actually, in anime they had a filler episode they put that groundwork so when I read manga after I was kinda disappointed that Toriyama didnt include that, haha. My Hero Academia right now Deku and Uraraka seems to be going fine if Horikoshi decides to pair his characters in the end (unless he screws that up too and pairs everyone randomly lol). But the point is I dont really waiting for them to be paired up or anything of the sort, it would be nice, but not necessary.

        Sakura and Naruto would made more sense yes I think so too. Naruto couldnt stop talking about how he likes her lol and Sakura started to like him too eventually. That was the biggest issue from the beginning. If Kishimoto didnt plan to pair them, then he should have at least wrote Naruto in a way that he likes other girls too then there could have been some arc where he and Hinata went to a mission together and develop them there. Although, they kinda did that in some filler episodes in the anime and managed to screw that up. So, maybe not. So many pointless fillers and nobody figured out they should put more work into Naruto and Hinata relationship.

        I was a bit disappointed how Naruto manga ended, but I didnt hate it. Then they started making dlc to the manga like novels and anime to explain some stuff. I was like “Oh, no.” Then they announced Boruto and I was done, haha. It felt like yea, Kishimoto just burned out and didnt know what to do.

        #238513
        Mustangride1
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          @Mustangride1 😂😂i love you. No homo.

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