Depopulation is the goal

@wisdom

“That is one question i’m trying to figure out myself. Are the ruling class rational in the pursuit of their goals. I think yes. I think they are a lot smarter than we give them credit for,”

No one is accusing them of being irrational or unintelligent.  The assertion is that they are evil.  Obviously to this point they have done a great job at enforcing their will and social engineering much of the west for decades.  With that said, how is that working out?  Are people better off now or is the world in near chaos as we sit near the brink of nuclear war?

“Personally, I find the idea of a planet with 20 billion humans to be a nightmare scenario.”

I am sure 100 years ago people then would have said the same about our current population levels.

“To that end, population reduction is useless.”

They plan on enslaving the world and governing from 1 large international governmental body.  But they want less people not more.  I assume it is because they think they can have more and live better/longer in that case because that is their only motivation. There is no evidence they are pushing for more population but there are decades of evidence pointing to depopulation.

@Nintendrilo

That’s because they are only using that entire thought process as a vehicle for control.  They don’t really believe it.  The entire carbon thing is a scam to make money and tax/control the population.

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@DarthVengeant

If I recall correctly you and I are similar ages.  I am just shooting from the hip here and I fully understand I could be wrong but I tend to think you believe that because of the leftist propaganda that started way back in the 80’s on that topic.  While today the left/WEF (same thing) are very open and in your face about their goals, decades ago they still had the same goals but were less open about it and such ideas seeped into the mainstream slowly like a poison from media and fringe politicians.  In fact many of the ideas people hold today (in my opinion) are due to that very seepage of agenda.

Now that aside I will say this.  Am I for less people?  No.  Am I for more people?  No.  I am for whatever it is folks want to do because it is their freedom to do so.  To introduce the idea of reducing population is to introduce tyranny and social engineering.  The population of the west is already falling drastically due to social engineering by the WEF types that started decades ago.

I hear smart people like yourself claim we have too many people and we cannot sustain it and more people is worse.  What’s the evidence of that?  The problems you see in today’s world that I am aware of are not directly due to too many people.  They tend to be directly due to too many corrupt politicians either intentionally or unintentionally mismanaging resources, programs and systems.  This can also be said of some of the large corporations as well.  Now if you are saying we should have less people because we can not possibly manage our resources any better, well that might be worth some discussion.

Let’s take plastic pollution for example.  The thing I believe IS a real environmental emergency. Would less people solve that problem?  Surely, it would help as it would reduce that waste however it does not at all solve the problem.  The problem is not from overpopulation directly it is from mismanagement on a number of levels.

I find it interesting that you clearly make your dislike of the left/WEF known.  But at the end of the day you support what I consider their highest priority goal.  In essence while you might disagree with their methods you agree with the end result.

But here is the thing.  The way modern society works and functions now is not at all the way it would function with half the numbers of people. There would not be half the people and our same level of modern comfort and technology advancement.  That would radically be different and would drastically slow down.  I am actually not saying that those are inherently bad things just pointing out that half the people does not look like today with just less people.

“What is history but the story of how politicians squandered the blood and treasure of the human race” — Thomas Sowell

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“Well let’s have a look at how many plant and animal species were eradicated in the last 5 decades. Look at the endless pollution in our oceans. Giant landfills the size of a city in India or Africa. 80% loss of insect biomass in western Europe in the past 30 years alone due to pesticide useage”

First off there have been a countless number of extinction events.  So claiming extinction itself as an issue is pointless.  Can we attribute some of that to humans?  I am sure.  We are part of the system therefore we affect the system however we do not steer the system.

The rest of it is not due directly to the number of people.  There might be less of it if there were less people but you would be left with those issues regardless.  Those issues are due to poor decisions, lack of understanding or sheer indifference.  Those problems would exist so long as there were humans regardless of the number of them.

A good portion of Archeology is digging through the rubbish of people whom were here thousands of years ago.  Modern man did not invent the landfill we just started to add to it things we developed that did not play nice with the environment.    This is not due to the fact there are too many people but there are people at all.  We just need to do better, care more and further technology.

Everyone peers into the future based on what we know now.  The reason that does not work well is because we do know now what we will know then.