Trump liable for $354.9M in civil fraud case, New York judge rules

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    Trump liable for $354.9M in civil fraud case, New York judge rules

    Donald Trump must pay $354.9 million US in penalties for fraudulently overstating his net worth to dupe lenders, a New York judge ruled on Friday…

    In a pre-determined trial.

    In the ruling, Engoron wrote that Trump and the other defendants in the case “are incapable of admitting the error of their ways.”

    “Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on pathological,” Engoron wrote.

    Because they don’t follow the woke/leftish mind virus.

    Trump’s lawyer, Alina Habba, said in a statement that the ruling was a “manifest injustice” and “culmination of a multi-year, politically fuelled witch hunt” against him.

    Correct.

    The banks did their own assessment, set the terms based on their assessment (which Trump/his organization agreed to), and to which the loan/interest was all PAID back IN-FULL.

    And any state property taxes would have been based on the states’ assessed values too.

    So who is the victim here with this verdict?  Trump!

    “This is not just about Donald Trump — if this decision stands, it will serve as a signal to every single American that New York is no longer open for business,” Habba said, adding that she plans to appeal.

    Correct.  If you go against the extremely toxic far alt left lunatic’s agenda, they will attack for in every way possible, including threw the courts.

    Trump has denied wrongdoing and called the case a political vendetta by James, an elected Democrat. Trump is expected to appeal Friday’s ruling by Engoron.

    Naturally, as this whole case, predetermined guilt, ignoring the facts from the banks, and forgone damages, attests too.

    This “guilty” verdict and damages MUST be overturned.

    #313222
    Vknid
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      This should surprise no one.  The radical left is now an extension of the WEF and the WEF does not enforce it’s will through sheer force (yet) it does so through lawfare and economics.

      The worrying thing for me with this that the folks in charge are now showing you that they will conjure whatever silliness required to harm you however they want and nothing will stop them because law is whatever they want it to be, just like the J6 nonsense.

      More of this will happen and it scares me to think the only logical conclusions are enslavement or some sort of revolution.

      Andrew Tate once said something fairly smart and it’s appropriate here.

      “First they cancel you, then they arrest you and then they will kill you”

      #313224

      I hope all the DEMonS rejoicing at weaponizing the Justice system to take down their political opponent(s) have their affairs in order.

      What goes around, comes around.

      #313227

      Can’t wait for the appeal to reject not only the penalty for Trump being Trump (that was the reason they went after him), but the original pre-trial guilty verdict being dismissed with prejudice.

      #313234
      Vknid
      Moderator

        It needs to be kept in mind how bad this all really is so that the proper response can be formulated.

        The federal government is almost entirely corrupt (D and R) and all the big agencies are just a tool of theirs to bash the people into submission.

        We are at the point now where offenses are whipped out of thin air and the other federal agencies will enforce those fake charges and convict you based on them.

        There is no legal way out of a situation where law is arbitrarily defined and enforced.

        People cheering on the prosecution of all the J6 and Trump accusations are essentially making their own shackles and when asked to slip them on they will.  And at the moment they realize they are enslaved, it’s too late.

        Again, government corruption was a situation the founders planned for.  Corruption of the people was not.

        The mistake made is not the sudden realization the government poorly takes care of the people, it’s the expectation that they would take care of you at all.  The moment that was the expectation is the moment freedom was exchanged for a false promise of safety.

        #313241

        “They’re coming after you — and I’m just standing in their way,” Trump.

        And they fear Trump, as he knows who all is part of the swamp.

        And his second term as POTUS will…

        #313267
        Vknid
        Moderator

          And they fear Trump, as he knows who all is part of the swamp.

          They are concerned about Trump.  Their fear is what happens after Trump.

          If Trump comes in and has any success at breaking the establishment and things get even a little better, the establishment has a hard time getting back in for some time as at that point people will see that promises of “free” are lies.  This defuses everything the establishment has to offer.

          Folks need to realize that much of what they have been sold by politicians for the last 30+ years is a BS house of cards.  And if one or 2 cards can be exposed as crap, the whole thing falls.

          #313361

          The topic of the Canadian Truckers came up in the Banks searched Transactions Related to “MAGA,” “TRUMP” thread.

          Not sure how effective this one’s gonna be but it’s more appropriate posted here:

           

          #313565

          An article online revealed this;

          In addition to imposing the monetary penalties, Engoron’s decision barred Trump from running a corporation in New York or seeking loans with banks chartered or registered in the state for three years.

          Barred Trump for getting a loan to pay for this pre-determined judgement (guilty before the trial even began, which is a miscarriage of justice).  What Bank is not chartered or registered in the state of NY Trump can deal with?

          Use cash on hand (or be forced to use donor money – which opens the door to more potential criminal charges, which I think they are also hoping for), or sell assets.  Yet you can’t sell $350Million in assets over night.

          How corrupt (and politically biased) the US judicial system has become.

           

          #313687

          And now we are seeing why.

          Trump asks to be allowed to post $100 million bond in NY fraud case instead of ‘impossible’ $464 million judgment

          In a filing with the state Appellate Division Wednesday, Trump’s attorneys said it would be “impossible” for the billionaire to post the full amount given the restrictions in the ruling handed down by Judge Arthur Engoron in the civil fraud case brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James.

          Which is something these DEMoncrats James want.

          “The exorbitant and punitive amount of the Judgment coupled with an unlawful and unconstitutional blanket prohibition on lending transactions would make it impossible to secure and post a complete bond. Appellants nonetheless plan to secure and post a bond in the amount of $100 million,” the filing said.

          They rigged the trail, with a pre-determined guilty and a pre-determined amount, then made is so he would not be able to meet that amount.

          Without a stay with the lowered bond amount, Trump’s lawyers argue, “properties would likely need to be sold to raise capital under exigent circumstances, and there would be no way to recover any property sold following a successful appeal and no means to recover the resulting financial losses from the Attorney General.”

          And if he had to sell, the potential buyers would know of this desperation and will deliberately LOWBALL their offers, further penalizing Trump.

          James’ office quickly opposed the request.

          Of course they were.

          “Defendants all but concede that Mr. Trump has insufficient liquid assets to satisfy the judgment; defendants would need ‘to raise capital’ to do so. These are precisely the circumstances for which a full bond or deposit is necessary,” Fan’s filing said, adding that “there is substantial risk that defendants will attempt to evade enforcement of the judgment (or make enforcement more difficult) following appeal.”

          Following an appeal there, if justice to be be had, the amount and original pre-trial ruling will be tossed.

          In their filing Wednesday, Trump’s attorneys contended the award handed down by Engoron should have been closer to $100 million. “Among the Judgment’s myriad errors, more than $350 million of the nearly $465 million awarded in disgorgement is barred by the statute of limitations,” they contended.

          And what was the original court ruling on that?

          The AG’s office said those arguments have already been rejected by the judge, and are likely to be rejected by the appeals court as well.

          As was a fair trial.  That too was rejected by this “judge”.

          Trump filed his notice of appeal in the case last week, saying they wanted the court to determine whether Engoron “committed errors of law and/or fact, and whether he abused his discretion and/or acted in excess of his jurisdiction” when he handed down the judgment they called “staggering” in the filing Wednesday.

          “Committed errors of law and/or facts.” is obvious!

          There was no victim.  There was no fraud.  There was no unpaid-in-full amounts owing the banks/lenders.  And the banks not only proved all that and more, they also wanted to do MORE business/loans with Trump and his organizations.

          And don’t forget, when told this might make investors and property developers wanting to skip NY, what did they say, to paraphrase: “we only wanted to go after Trump.  Everyone else can continue to use the same methods Trump did.”

          This was a weaponizing of the justice system to go after political opponents.

          #313736
          Vknid
          Moderator

            I have said this many times.

            Anyone cheering on attacking Trump through molding the law however is needed is cheering on their own enslavement.  If they actually believe that won’t happen to them then they are utter fools who will exchange a fleeting moment of emotional “win” for their freedom.

            I have been telling people, if you want to hate Trump go ahead and go balls to the wall.  But do it based on fact and not lies.

            #315397

            Some Good News:

            Court agrees to pause collection of Trump’s massive civil fraud judgment if he puts up $175M

            A New York appeals court on Monday agreed to hold off collection of former President Donald Trump’s more than $454 Million civil fraud judgment if he puts up $175 million within 10 days.

            A more realistic number.

            The appeals court also halted other aspects of a trial judge’s ruling that had barred Trump and his sons Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr., the family company’s executive vice presidents, from serving in corporate leadership for several years.

            Some level on sanity.

            The appeals court “chose a middle ground” by still requiring Trump to put up money but lowering the amount…

            As has been stated before, no BOND corporation would issue a bond unless they got liquid assets (CASH), since those underwriters wouldn’t accept real estate as collateral.

            And if Trump was forced to use his CASH here for the full $454M, instead of having reserves to spend on the campaign trail to win back the POTUS, is what the DEMONcrats wanted, since their attempt to force him off the ballots failed.

            #315444
            DarthVengeant
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              A more realistic number. LOL. No number is realistic because this is all a witch hunt.

              But, Trump just made 4 billion, so he will be fine.

              https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/25/trumps-net-worth-reportedly-soars-to-6point5-billion-after-media-company-stock-jumps.html

               

              #315548
              Vknid
              Moderator

                @DarthVengeant

                Absolutely, the entire thing is nonsense.  And anyone thinking, well good I hate him and my side wins, you are a fool.  Because they will come for you as well at some point.

                I rewrote “First they came for” for modern day.  I think it applies here.

                First they came for the truth tellers, but I did not say anything because the media told me they were liars.
                Then they came for the political opposition and those who were within their ranks, but I said nothing because I was told they were criminals.
                Then they came for regular citizens who disagreed openly, and I cheered because I was told they were insurrectionists.
                Then they came for the children, and I handed them mine because they told me I was a bigot if I did not do so.
                Then they came for me, and I pleaded, swearing my allegiance and I showed them my trans children as evidence.
                Then they told me it was my children who turned me in, and they took me away and I was apathetic as I had ceded everything I ever valued.

                #315629

                But, Trump just made 4 billion, so he will be fine.

                IIRC, that is just “paper wealth”.  He cannot sell any of his stake for 6 months.  And alot can happen before then.  Just like the tech bubble of the past, or the more recent collapse of that crypto-exchange or those banks collapsing, etc. nothing is permanent.  The fall can be slow or very quick.

                 

                As they saying goes;

                “In the end, they’re not coming after me. They’re coming after you — and I’m just standing in their way,”

                And they would love nothing better than to destroy their political and ideological opponent(s).  By getting such a person taken down, they hope that will silence/scare the masses into obedience.  Obey or be destroyed.  Just like the dictators they are/want to be.

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