Corporations don’t care

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  • #228867
    Vknid
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      While small to moderate sized companies might have passion and beliefs, large corporations have neither and their only motivation is their bottom line.
      (in itself there is nothing wrong with that until they pretend otherwise)

      Sure, they will pander for brownie points in hopes you buy their products but in the end they don’t give a crap.

      Now you might say, well, what about Google? Google (and a few others like it) is somewhat of a special case because they don’t sell a product directly to the public (YOU are the product) so they can afford to have an agenda. However, I promise you if that agenda started to affect their wallets they would shift or at least keep it to themselves.

      Self obsessed people will always sellout their belief system if it benefits them.

      In essence the politician and the large corp CEO are very similar. Their only love is their bank account and they worship only at the alter of self.

      #228870

      I mean that’s a part of capitalism. The primary purpose of a business is to maximize profits for its owners or stakeholders, while maintaining corporate social responsibility comes only after that. Which is also why many companies jump on certain campaigns like pride etc., as the limited offerings often bring in new customers = more money.

      #228873
      Vknid
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        Yes, as I mentioned I am not complaining about companies prioritizing profits. My issue comes in when they pretend otherwise to pander.

        #228883
        Mustangride1
        Moderator

          Companies have always pandered to a “base”, but that base was who they were wanting to buy the product. Now they are alienating half the buyers by pandering to causes that half the potential clients will not buy because of they disagree with that cause.

          The “Bean Counters” have to understand this and know it. So that means the Corporate Suits feel they make enough to keep the investors happy and can still pander to their personal cause. We are starting to see backlash by investors (disney shareholders meeting), but is it enough with the big money from China coming in to get the shareholders to make changes?

          #228888
          Vknid
          Moderator

            At the end of the day the boards of these companies care about just the cash. Their wallets get lighter than usual for a time and they will pander in the other direction.

            I think the whole issue here though is 50 (or even 10) years ago, you did not snag a gallon of milk at the store and then wonder to yourself if the CEO of that dairy supported your causes.

            All this trouble is due to polarization of EVERYTHING which is intentional to foster division.

            #228894

            Which all makes with “Go Woke Go Broke” so many of them are doing makes no economical sense.

            So while the CEO’s and shareholders are all for PROFITS, too many of those under them care not.  It is not THEIR company, so if it makes profits or not, they still get their wages. and maybe PUSH a toxic agenda into the marketing/products.

            Just ask those at Procter & Gamble, and how much damage their attack on males caused to their market share, their reputation, their revenue and profits.  All for brownie points?

            Do corporations care what the individual consumer thinks?  NO.

            But they should worry if their moronic decisions leads to a mass exodus of consumers from their brands.

            How many people have cut their cables?  How many people have cancelled Disney+?  How many people cared not for franchises like Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr.Who, etc. because of wokeness.

             

            #228897
            Mustangride1
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              @Legatus_Legionis

              How many people have cut their cables? How many people have cancelled Disney+? How many people cared not for franchises like Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr.Who, etc. because of wokeness.

              I cut D+, done with Trek and SW, Dr. Who a long time ago and more… I can sail the hihgh seas if I see something I want. I also think CHINA LAB VIRUS has taught many people how to go Sailing. They have learned within an Hour of a streaming release a high def copy is on the High Seas, Heck a Movie release pre-coof was within 72 hours. The more people who discover this the faster Hollywoods Woke will go Broke.

              Some say that will hurt us in our enjoyment, I say the opposite as I am watching a lot more “Indy and Fan” generated lately. I throw my money at those projects when I can. I think those will be the Future of Movies and Comics because that is where the true creatives are. It might also be the way if enough people do these things to force the Crap out of the Big Studios in time.

              #228901

              China is going to easily outsmart these prideful CEOs. They are gonna lose everything, but they got to live in luxury for ten years, at least.

              #228904

              Disagree.

              The reason these multi-billionaire companies support LGBT and the like is because many CEO’s and the like are Leftists (Starbucks routinely gives money to Mermaids, an NGO which pushes gender reassignment on children in the UK). Some of them are even in a same-sex marriage or transgender themselves. They just don’t have to hide it anymore because of how successfully the overton window has been pushed.

              You may see Antifa types and other self-styled revolutionaries going about how they’re the “dissident left” who hate claim to hate the oligarchy as much as the populist right, claiming the problems they’re making are a product of “neoliberal capitalism” but it’s just cope and seething. If they were truly dangerous to them they’d be shut down within hours. Genuine nationalists have had their bank accounts closed while groups like BLM get millions in donations.

              Fabian Socialism doesn’t just stop at infiltrating the government, it’s about controlling all major institutions in order to shift public opinion. The difference between them and anarcho-commies is that the latter are completely insane and can’t help themselves. They want the revolution now; it’s why they keep claiming Bernie Sanders is a compromise, the likes of Tony Blair as a lame centrist, or even the UK Conservative Party as “right-wing ultra-nationalist.” It’s one of the tenets of Marxism to have a violent revolution, but that’s the one part of Marxism the Fabians reject: They’re smart enough to know that’s a sure-fire way to unite all of their enemies – So they instead implement things one step at a time, starting off with something that seems reasonable by pointing out the flaws/drawbacks/consequences of a conservative society, put then push the goalposts further and further until it matches their worldview. It goes at least as far back as the 60’s.

              Second-wave feminism is one example. When they were young, Boomer feminists were used to break down the purpose of marriage and deconstruct traditional gender roles. They were the radicals of their day, and they’ve effectively destroyed male/female relations and have succeeded in getting men and women, young ones in particular, to distrust and even despise one another. But where are they now? Cancelled by the Millennial transgender activists. Suddenly they’re now the reactionary conservatives they once fought against and called “TERFS” because they thought transgender mania was going too far. And the same corporations and lobby groups that once funded them have now abandoned them. Now that they’ve served their purpose, they’ve been discarded like yesterday’s trash and have found themselves replaced.

              I expect in another generation or two, the same thing will happen to Millennial’s. Expect woke Millennials and Zoomers in their fifties and forties will be called bigots because they drew the line at the bestiality or something just as heinous.

              #228912

              @FallenOmegaStar

              Boomer feminists are called bigots? Where? Millennial activists didn’t just get some random ideas out of thin air and then became degenerates overnight. They were fed propaganda in college about how second-wave feminists did this and that for so-called equality. If anything, they’re more regarded as heroes by the morons who think they did good for society. Feminism was nowhere as abundant as it was 2010s and most people either minded their business or thought feminists were nothing but crazies. It is normal people who are labeled “bigots”.

              Woketards in their 50s won’t have to worry about anyone calling them anything because Western society would have collapsed by then. Do you really expect things to continue in a dystopia that makes the Great Depression look like the Golden Years? They will get torn apart literally.

              Assuming society actually does recover from all this, then they will just be regarded as the greatest failures of history and it won’t be just the youth mocking them to their grave.

              #228917
              Mustangride1
              Moderator

                Feminist were really dead by the 80’s certainly the 90’s in the traditional since of the word. There were Many CEO’s and Presidents Vp’s of Industry that were women, My mother was one. Worked her way from a Teller to VP of a major Bank, Many women did and still do. The ones crying then were the ones who ran their mouth so much no one would hire them.

                Now its who runs their mouth loudest, or knows where the skeletons (or should I say Island Goers) are buried. Look no further then the head of Act Blue,,, errr sorry,,,, BLM. ya all that money sure has done the black community good. But has done her pretty nice. There are not feminist, these are not gay activist or black activist. These are people out for themselves now. Someone they have the major corporate leaders in fear of them, makes you wonder what they got on them, or threatening them with.

                #228960
                Vknid
                Moderator

                  3 things.

                  1) Get Woke Go Broke
                  They aren’t going broke. It’s not that they lose money as much as MAYBE they don’t make quite as much for a short period of time. But the thing is some of these industries, like music and movies for example, have found that they can churn out mediocre garbage (often times woke stuff) on a regular basis and people will still consume it. They don’t need to discover talent or put out the resources for a blockbuster. It costs MUCH less effort, funds and time to produce mediocrity vs. excellence.

                  2) self obsession
                  Show me an SJW and I will show you someone who is in it for themselves. Their only cause is what benefits them. I am sure there are some folks who believe in what they are doing and think they are doing good but those are not the rabid lunatics you see on TV. They are primarily driven by a deep hatred and self interests.

                  3) agenda and money
                  It’s not that in the end they care more for agenda than money. It’s just that some of these companies (like Google or Microsoft) are in a situation where they have a monopoly and can afford to throw out their personal agendas because they are still making by the truck load.

                  Now, this is not to say there are not companies or people out there where their agenda means more than anything else. It’s just that by in large I do not believe that to be the case.

                  #228985

                  It gives them a good look in the mainstream, so of course they do it. Also fundamentally it would make sense to profit out of it. You keep selling the same product to keep the loyal consumer base but slap a 🏳️‍🌈 sticker and you get new customers from the alphabet community. Because in theory it should cause no harm to support same sex marriage. But some may boycott the product because of that.

                  Personally I’m not a fan of slapping pride and alphabet stuff everywhere but I’m not gonna lose my sleep and reee because of things like a free downloadable pride theme on PlayStation or some shit. Don’t be a Karen.

                  #228995

                  Personally I’m not a fan of slapping pride and alphabet stuff everywhere but I’m not gonna lose my sleep and reee because of things like a free downloadable pride theme on PlayStation or some shit. Don’t be a Karen.

                  Death by Papercuts; that’s how things eventually change for the worst. It has nothing to do with being a Karen. It’s something called Gate-Keeping. If we did more of that, less things would be woke.

                  #229023

                  @Captain_Cronos That may have been the case in the early-mid 2010’s, but after transgender mania took off members of the feminist old guard, such as Julie Bindel and Germaine Greer, spoke out against it by saying men can’t become women and that the movement was conspiracy to get men into women’s spaces. Younger feminists, like a certain Anita Sarkeesian , who once held them as feminist icons turned against them. I’d say it’s almost definitely a generational thing, considering younger minds are more likely to have their beliefs by formed external influences. I kinda just assumed everyone engaged in the political arena would know: Perhaps it was just more prevalent in the UK compared to the US.

                  Woketards in their 50s won’t have to worry about anyone calling them anything because Western society would have collapsed by then.Do you really expect things to continue in a dystopia that makes the Great Depression look like the Golden Years? They will get torn apart literally.

                  Yes, actually. I think what the elites are aiming for is Managed Decline.

                  Assuming they don’t pack their bags and move to China and Russia, or total civil war breaks out, there will be no sudden “Great Collapse” where we’ll end up resembling Somalia with people butchering each other in the hundreds every day. It’s more likely they’ll drag out the cultural decline as long as they possibly can so your average normie won’t notice until it’s too late. The Roman Empire took centuries to eventually fall, and it may take similar length of time (but probably shorter) for the same to occur in Western Civilization. The general decline of a society goes something like this:

                  • Economic conditions worsen
                  • Cultural identity is lost
                  • Invasions and mass migrations occur <– We are here.
                  • Demographics shift
                  • Criminality increases
                  • Sanitation decreases
                  • Diseases spread
                  • Basic public services and utilities become dysfunctional
                  • Creativity and cognition decline
                  • People forget how to use and maintain certain technologies
                  • Buildings are abandoned
                  • Everything falls into a state of disarray and disrepair

                  (You might argue argue we’re already seeing demographics shifting and criminality increasing, but that’s just a consequence of mass migration. Consider what we’re seeing now a prologue for what’s to come).

                  Chances are as Western countries become more “diverse,” they’ll more likely resemble Mexico only with more GDP, and elites will create a breakaway society from which they’ll lord over. It’ll resemble some kind of dystopian sci-fi novel.

                  Of course, there are several external factors which can accelerate or decelerate each stage, and it’s extremely difficult to even guess what exactly is the endgame the globalists have in mind. I could be completely wrong, but I don’t think they want to boil the kettle too fast. They need to get people adjusted to one dramatic change before moving onto the next. If changes happen too quickly and all at once it would be too disruptive to the lifestyle of the average working man, and the decline will become much more obvious to the majority of people.

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