Is she the victim here?
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- April 18, 2024 at 7:23 am #316996
A lot of people are willing to give the mother a pass or at the very least leniency citing postpartum depression as the reason for her alleged actions.
I dunno about that. We’re not talking about self-defense or abuse here, we’re talking about innocent children.
Should any form of insanity defense even be entertained in cases such as these?
R.I.P. young ones.
Dad runs Boston Marathon in memory of 3 slain children
A Massachusetts man crossed the finish line of the Boston Marathon in memory of his three children, who were killed last year.
Patrick Clancy ran the 26.2 mile race Monday while wearing the names of his children — Cora, Dawson, and Callan — on his bib, and wearing an item that belonged to each child: A hair bow of 5-year-old Cora’s, a wristband of 3-year-old Dawson’s and a bracelet of 7-month-old Callan’s, he told WCVB-TV, the ABC station in Boston.
“They were my motivation,” Clancy said of his kids in an interview with WCVB-TV after the race. “It was therapeutic. It was purpose. I knew we could make a big difference and we did, so it was good.”
Clancy’s wife and the mother of their three children, Lindsay Clancy, is facing murder and assault charges related to the deaths of the children last January.
On the day of the incident, Jan. 24, 2023, police received a 911 call just after 6 p.m. ET from a man who said his wife had attempted suicide by jumping out of a window at their house.
First responders subsequently found three young children, a 5-year-old girl, a 3-year-old boy and a 7-month-old boy, inside the home “unconscious with obvious signs of severe trauma,” Plymouth County District Attorney Timothy Cruz said at the time.
Lindsay Clancy survived with serious injuries.
She remains held and has an upcoming court date on May 28, a spokesperson for the Plymouth County District Attorney’s Office told ABC News Tuesday. She has pleaded not guilty to the charges.
Patrick Clancy has said previously that he forgives his wife, a sentiment he echoed again after the marathon, telling WCVB, “I said I forgive my wife and I do. I’ll just leave it at that.”…
April 18, 2024 at 9:27 am #317002She could be a victim, but it’s undeniable that the dad and kids are victims.
April 18, 2024 at 5:32 pm #317037A lot of people are willing to give the mother a pass or at the very least leniency citing postpartum depression
The very idea that we are even talking about that is one of the major issues with society. The lack of accountability is one of the major toxins corroding the foundations of our society.
Mental illness does not remove responsibility, or it should not. It just alters where you go as your consequence. Many things today are written off as mental illness which I find total BS. Just because a person wished to harm multiple people does not make them insane.
And a mother killing her own children should receive no quarter. She should get less of it actually.
As I mentioned in another thread, the job of a parent is to sacrifice. Harming your children intentionally is the antithesis of sacrifice.
She should live out her life in jail giving her the opportunity to repent and feel the pain of what she did.
April 19, 2024 at 8:09 pm #317109Mental illness does not remove responsibility, or it should not. It just alters where you go as your consequence. Many things today are written off as mental illness which I find total BS. Just because a person wished to harm multiple people does not make them insane.
We need to go back to the the way it was.
You are either guilty or not guilty of the crime.
And in sentencing, if you were of sound mind at the time of the crime, you go to jail/prison for you sentence. If you have a mental issue (permanent/temporary), you need to go to a mental hospital/asylum to start your sentence until you are well enough to finish your sentence in jail/prison.
If you are sick and committed a crime, and don’t get treatment (but sent back out into society), that means you now have a built in excuse for any/all future evil/criminal activities. Society is now more unsafe.
The whole ideology of letting criminals go free to do more crime while the TRUE victims never see justice for the wrong doers, is wrong. That means there is no longer a RULE OF LAW, as the law no longer exists.
April 28, 2024 at 10:43 am #317560I think we need to bring back mental institutions that are not like what they ended up being in the past.
I have a grown child who has issues from the time they were little. They went to prison but got no help what so ever with their mental issues while locked up. They let them out and we all have suffered for the last 10 years trying to deal with their issues. I can not force a grown child to get help but I have to helplessly watch as they go down a road of insanity and cut them out of our lives because we have others to protect.
I have empathy for the families who have to deal with issues no matter what the mental issue happens to be for them. Post-Partum Depression is a real thing and if not treated can lead to even more deeper issues. It’s not a full excuse but until you are inside their head you have no idea what is going on in there to push them to do tragic things to people they say they love. It’s a fine rope to walk as parent who witnesses their children going down into madness or watching them do evil things and not knowing if there was some thing you could do or say or get extra help if it would have stopped t.
I have a hard time with this since I live with it everyday.
April 29, 2024 at 10:25 am #317587I worked with a guy years ago. He talked about his brother from time to time. His brother was fairly mentally ill but functional on medication. Off medication he is a mess and a danger. He would voluntarily stop taking his meds sometimes. This guy explained to me (I had not understood this before that) that the only recourse he had was to wait until his brother did something illegal and then call the police. And the only recourse the police had, was to jail him temporarily.
There are few perfect solutions in life. I don’t believe life was meant to be easy and I think we were built for struggle (which is why in the West ease if life makes people insane). That being said, many people (myself included) just have things in their lives that puts them behind the 8 ball at all times. But we struggle forward the best we can.
Now I am a father. So I cannot imagine the torment of what you describe. In fact, I don’t want to.
But all we or society can do is the best we can do. Clearly, corrupt politicians doing for themselves and not the people is not the best we can do.
Ironically it was Reagan who started to close mental institutions to save budget and I think at the time there were promises of new medicines solving many issues. This was also around the time psychiatry as a profession was being proven statistically to be useless and that industry’s reaction to proving the need for it’s existence also created downstream consequences.
So now we allow people who are out of their minds roam around. Until they harm someone. Then we jail them which keeps them off the street but not for long usually. And the cycle repeats.
We called them insane asylums but call them whatever. They need to come back and in a big way. Allow them to help the hard luck cases, the people who are dangerous and house those who cannot be left to their own devices. Is that going to be imperfect and somewhat ugly and messy? Yes. But right now we are ugly, messy, in danger and spiraling out of control.
I am sorry you have to go through your days with that on your heart. I will pray for your child tonight.
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