Why are people dismayed movies suck?

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July 9, 2023 at 12:10 pm #302818
Vknid
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Almost every “blockbuster” film that has come out recently was awful. And every time it happens people appear shocked. I think it was in the video I linked below from Dave Cullen where he ponders whether the screening audiences are failing the movie companies in such a way to to allow them to think these releases are good.

There is something to be said for creativity in Hollywood being dead. They have become such a radical cult I have no doubt they reject new and interesting things all the time because the people offering them are not radical activists.

But that aside. They KNOW their movies suck. They don’t care. Why? In about 2010 Hollywood decided to stop making entertainment and to make propaganda full time. And every year since 2010 it only got worse to the point now where it appears to me they care more about THE MESSAGE than making entertainment or financially successful films. They are using every former hero and culturally significant character they have license for to push out propaganda.

The good news is I believe there is a shift happening finally. And I think Hollywood knows it. The fact that the independent “Sound of Freedom” is doing as well or better than the Indiana Jones movie currently, given how much weight they threw behind that, is a sign things are changing. And Hollywood and associated activist tribes see this. They are all out right now writing hit pieces, lies and making negative videos about that movie all while every “official” movie site I ran across refuses to mention it.
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July 9, 2023 at 3:45 pm #302824
comicsgate
It’s been a good, long run, but the Spielberg/Lucas era is coming to an end. From what I heard about Indiana Jones, I liked the ideas. It is congruent with a professor that, at the end of his life, he’d want to be around Archimedes and explore those kinds of minds. It is not believable to me for a guy in his 80s to be doing action movies. One glance at the trailer was enough for me to miss the latest one. He’s not the same guy. Chris Gore made a great point that if the torch was passed to Short Round, it would have been great and also, a gesture of goodwill to the eastern markets.

The woke stuff is all recent. Spielberg and Lucas made good movies at one time. Marvel has an incredible run of movies and they were actual good movies. At one time, old school cinema was criticizing the superhero movies, but at the time, the casting, characters and stories made them better movies than the alternatives. Now that mass production has taken over, the quality is diminishing. Chuck Dixon said that he’s seen it before when every movie used to be a western and one day, it all went away and was replaced by a different genre.

One thing that is correct is, after all those great movies, that once they get the public hooked, they put out The Message of race swaps and gender swaps, etc. Not sure if you saw, but Spider-verse was banned in the Arab Muslim world because of BLM and “protect Trans Kids” posters on the walls of Miles Morales.

I went to see Sound of Freedom and it was ok. It’s an alternative. It’s also an opportunity for people to see something that is against the grooming that is going on. We have the trans stuff, PRIDE month, Epstein Island, 50 Shades, Madonna, and Sound of Freedom just represents a tiny, tiny difference from the smut peddlers in the country. Faith films are kind of a joke, but I can only speak for myself that the perverted secular mass produced consumerist materialist product has become stale and cliche’ and monotonous. In fact, I remember watching Sound of Freedom and leaving the theater, the muzack piped into the mall was sexually suggestive and it occurs to a person that we live under a cloud of massive pressure to conform to being some kind of Pimp or Ho. SOF was not the best movie, but I will support Angel Studios in the future because they are trying to make human interest movies.

Sound of Freedom stays with you though. I walked out thinking meh, wasn’t much, but a day later, I was still thinking about it. That’s the difference. Special effects don’t give you that. Sound of Freedom has substance to it. It’s not easy to watch. To be honest, I was very uncomfortable. Sometimes, in life, I’ve been disappointed that faithful people would not speak out on an issue, but that is what the movie does. It’s dark territory. It’s meaningful. You can kind of feel the tension out there around it.
July 9, 2023 at 4:34 pm #302825
Vknid
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@comicsgate

“The woke stuff is all recent.”

Actually it’s not at all. The amounts of it we are seeing in cinema is new yes, but it’s been there since at least the 80’s.

Hollywood has been doing propaganda probably since day 1. But originally it was pro America and it was just dribs and drabs as far as I know. At some point, it changed. I don’t know when but I can recall 80’s movies with themes sprinkled in here and there. That increased over time more and more. And then around 2010 they drew a line and from that point on it was almost entirely propaganda.
July 9, 2023 at 7:08 pm #302829
comicsgate
Yeah, you’re right. You can look back on your own upbringing and remember the media pressure to listen to certain things or have certain incorrect views and attitudes. I was mainly thinking about just the epic movies, but it finally made it’s way there, too. What I was thinking about is how the comics changed, but at least the early Marvel movies were relatively normal.
The people who get it the worst are the youth because every message from the media is unnatural.

I am surprised anyone even mentioned Sound of Freedom on this site. If anyone from GeeksandGamers wanted to interview Jim Caviezel, I’m sure he’d do it. After the movie, he seemed to go talk to a lot of people on youtube. I would not know about TV and print because I bailed on normie media a long time ago.
July 9, 2023 at 10:25 pm #302844
Wisdom
There were also right wing leaning films. Just watch any Charles Bronson film by Cannon. There’s a fun little documentary about those two crazy Israelis who went to hollywood to upset the studio system. While other studios were even then trying to do the subversive, deconstructivist proto-woke BS, they went they opposite route. They gave us films like Death Wish 2-5 which were pure vigilantism. Or 10 to Midnight, about an incompetent justice system freeing a serial killer. At the end, the there’s this wonderful scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eclyJUvXLGs
“I’m sick. You can’t punish me for being sick. All you can do is lock me up. But not forever. One day I’ll get out. That’s the law. You’ll hear from me. You and the whole f***ing world!” – “No we won’t” and shoots him in the head.

Cannon was so successful that even the major studios had to pivot and produce more crowd pleasers again. The crowd pleasers of the 80s were a direct reaction to both Lucas and Spielberg, as well as ironically Cannon. Without them, we would have gotten that woke nonsense a lot earlier.
July 14, 2023 at 10:56 pm #303098
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July 15, 2023 at 6:50 am #303106
Maverick
Last night on FNT those guys made a good point. The strike will delay movies by two years (give or take). Now is a good time to take a look at/revisit good older content.

Those on strike are afraid of A.I. replacing them but they can’t stop it. Even Jeremy from the Quartering sees the writing on the wall for YouTube creators, it’s just a matter of time.

About the impact of A.I. on the industry…check out Black Mirror Series 6, Episode 1 “Joan is awful”. Some of the modern stuff is good but you gotta look hard for it.
July 15, 2023 at 11:01 am #303112
Vknid
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@Maverick

I think the AI fear is mostly about fear mongering at this time. In my opinion, much of what it is being claimed it’s going to do it’s not going to. It’s not that it’s incapable of throwing something together. I mean if you say “write a script for this”, I am certain it will put thousands of words in a document for you. But to assume those words would make sense, be anything anyone would want to see, and not plagiarize someone else is I think incorrect.

@Wisdom

“There were also right wing leaning films.”

I did not say they were making left wing films I said even back in the day I can recall some propaganda in some films. But I would not classify that as a left wing film. Nor would I classify anything Charles Bronson did as right wing. If you are looking back at “Death Wish” in the context of the present and calling that right wing I think you are still wrong but it’s more wrong to say it was right wing decades ago. The things I am referring to as leftist propaganda in the 80’s is not based on leftism now, it was leftist then.
July 15, 2023 at 12:22 pm #303117
Roccandil
These days “right-wing” seems to be anything that’s been considered normal for most of history.
July 17, 2023 at 5:18 am #303191
comicsgate
I appreciate the mention of the Death Wish movies. I never saw those but Charles Bronson was a stud and those were hardcore. Never heard that right wing angle before but it kind of makes sense.
July 17, 2023 at 7:30 am #303193
Vknid
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“Death Wish” was not right wing. If the assertion is Hollywood was right wing in the 70’s/80’s I think that could not be more incorrect. From my recollection films like “Death Wish” and “Dirty Harry” were born out of frustration in society at the time due to out of control crime in a number of big cities. At that time in the game Hollywood made things people wanted to see and not things Hollywood wanted to see like now.
July 17, 2023 at 12:46 pm #303199
DragonLady
It would help companies more- especially Disney- if they’d STOP LISTENING TO TWATTER! Real Disney fans like myself are on YouTube complaining about what they’re currently doing…complete with dodgy CGI!
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