An example of why the world needs masculinity

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    Vknid
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      Masculinity and femininity in their intended forms need each other and depend on each other.  We would not be here without both.

      Here is an example of masculinity in action. Some might call this “toxic” but the woman that was saved I bet she doesn’t.

       

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11489395/Shocking-moment-Texas-attorney-pulls-GUN-tries-SHOOT-ex-girlfriend-bar.html

      #288314

      Here is an example of masculinity in action. Some might call this “toxic” but the woman that was saved I bet she doesn’t.

      it’s cute when people talk about toxic masculinity without knowing the meaning of it. Nobody thinks that is toxic masculinity.

      The expression has gotten distorted by people watching too many ”Ben Shabibo owns libs with facts and logic” compilations. The expression toxic masculinity isn’t about men harming feminists and libtards by doing ”manly” things. The expression is about how certain standards set by society causes harm to men themselves by being forced to put up the facade of being manly.

      For example, the idea is to get down the significant number of males committing suicide who are afraid to seek help because they don’t wanna be seen as ”vulnerable” craving help and even crying, so they put up a facade of being strong when they really suffer from depression.

      The concept of fighting against toxic masculinity is to help men, not to destroy them. I want less men to commit suicide just because they can’t show they are hurting and in need of help. We need men.

      Basically, toxic masculinity isn’t about manly behavior being toxic to others. It’s about their behavior being toxic and in the worst case lethal to themselves.

      Fighting toxic masculinity is really based

      #288315

      Oh and also, the dudes brawling the gunner down were awesome. Good job.

      #288317
      DarthVengeant
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        Speaking of Toxic Masculinity.

        Kirk is now officially a pussy

        #288318
        Vknid
        Moderator

          Happy to discuss things with you even if you disagree but it hurts all your points (in my opinion) when every one of your points is slathered with condescension and insults.

          The term is not distorted. It is a total BS term made up to attack men. And thus can essentially be whatever anyone wants it to be and that is pretty much the point. And that is a vector of attack the radical left uses a million times over.

          Yes, the term seems to indicate the damage men do to themselves but it goes beyond that.

          From Wikipedia (which I consider only slightly more reliable than urban dictionary)

          “Toxic masculinity is a set of certain male behaviors associated with harm to society and men themselves”

          So I think I used the term properly if there is such a thing and in any case I was really just mocking it.

          Now here is the deal.  Masculinity or femineity have pros and cons.  But you cannot separate one from the other.  You don’t get a stoic man who will lead the charge into danger without someone who might be reserved and emotionally quiet.  That’s just an example, everyone is different but you cannot have strong guy who will do what needs to be done and someone who cries at the drop of a hat.  Those things are mutually exclusive.

          So masculinity does not need to be changed or socially engineered into something else.  It is fine (as is femininity) as it is.  Yes things can be done to help men and women and those things should be done but you alter the help offered so it does the most good you don’t try to re-engineer the innate traits.

          Mucking around with masculinity and femininity is what has gotten us in trouble.  In fact it is an utter human disaster.  Not only to people themselves but in the relationships between men and women.  And at the end of the day the masculine needs the feminine and the feminine needs the masculine.  Either set of traits is much better ,in most cases, when it is counterbalanced by the opposite.  And that is the way it is, has been, and should be.

          #288319
          DigiCat
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            The concept of fighting against toxic masculinity is to help men, not to destroy them. I want less men to commit suicide just because they can’t show they are hurting and in need of help. We need men

            Said like that it does sound like a good thing, unfortunately that is not the way the media portrays it, which is why Ben Shapiro makes compilations making fun of them

            Of course it’s a good thing to help men who are keeping a facade of being hypermasculine out of fear to open up emotionally and understand it is ok to ask for help, but 90% of the time i’ve heard the term “toxic masculinity” in the media the conversation has absolutely nothing to do with that, it’s usually really stupid complaints like “he’s being a toxic male because he’s helping a woman and that’s toxic ’cause women don’t need help and are independent! He’s mansplaining ’cause he thinks women are dumb that’s toxic!!!”

            #288336
            DarthVengeant
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              “toxic masculinity” is a term used by the left, the term which was born of politically correctness. Politically Correctness was born out of Chinese Communism.

              “toxic masculinity” is a made up term for demonization of one group over another. The same as terms like “homophobe”. It is only used for pressing a singular world view and agenda.

              PERIOD!

              To be inclusive, I will say that if “toxic masculinity” exists, then “toxic femininity” also exists and is a huge problem.

              #288337

              No problem with classifying certain male behaviors as “toxic masculinity” just as there is no problem with classifying certain female behaviors  as “toxic femininity”.

              As a matter of fact I’d postulate that “toxic femininity” is more detrimental to society.

              #288342
              Vknid
              Moderator

                I disagree @Maverick.  That’s just playing the leftist game.  There are a-holes in the world, sure.  But that is not inherently male or female.

                #288345

                @Vknid you’re right of course, but you can’t reason with terrorists so you have to play the game by using their own weapons against them.

                If there’s one thing that leftists don’t like it’s the taste of their own medicine.

                #288346
                Vknid
                Moderator

                  This is true.  But that only makes them hate you more.  Look at the Twitter thing for example.

                  But I think much caution is needed to not become what you fight against.

                  #288350
                  DigiCat
                  Moderator

                    I disagree @Maverick.  That’s just playing the leftist game.  There are a-holes in the world, sure.  But that is not inherently male or female

                    Exactly, toxic behavior is just toxic, and that’s it

                    #288352

                    @Vknid I understand where you’re coming from but “trying not to get them angry” has landed us in crazy world. As a matter of fact the left has strategically used the opposition’s values of decency and respect for all to shut them down because THEY KNOW if they get angry and agitate the other side will just shut up to appease them.

                    And that’s why they’ve been able to infiltrate and spread their WOKE disease in almost all aspects of society.

                    Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of Insanity.

                    It’s time to fight fire with fire.

                     

                    #288356
                    Vknid
                    Moderator

                      I did not say or infer not to make them angry.  My point was to be very careful while wielding their tactics not to become them. Because if you do, then all it was about was a struggle for dominance and not good vs evil.

                      #288358

                      @Vknid there’s always the danger that we become what we fight against. But let’s not kid ourselves this IS a struggle for dominance and who will be able to exert its ideology upon society. Objectively morality doesn’t even factor into the equation because each side believes that it is “good” while the other is “evil”, so that is a moot point.

                      The salient point is regardless of how fair you try to play the game, the losing side (especially those ruled by emotions rather than logic) will ALWAYS FRAME the narrative to make the victors look “evil” just to appease their fragile egos. We just need to accept that people like them will always be with us and vigilance is the price we must continually pay.

                      So to all the bleeding hearts: Tough Frickin’ Potatoes. The wokees have had it too easy for too long. It’s time to ruffle some feathers.

                       

                       

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