If you could go back in time….

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  • #227376

    @Megazord_Jeremy

    Muay Thai would be a better choice than Karate. It uses every part of the body useful for combat and is usually considered the best martial art (well, that and Jiu Jitsu) and usually the fighting style I see often in MMA. Even Jason David Frank (the Green Ranger) is a practitioner of it.

    #227386
    DarthVengeant
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      1. Disney buying Lucasfilm

      2. Cliff Burton from dying in a bus wreck.

      3. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Lennon from being born.

      4. Japan from slowly ending/phasing out the Samurai

      #227393

      @DarthVengeant

      I had a thought what if someone did go back in time then stopped Hitler, Lennon, Mao and Stalin from being born but then……in this new timeline…..some replacements rose up to take the places on Hitler, Mao, Stalin and Lennon?

      The thing about the Second World War was that it started because Germany after the First World War was devastated by major poverty and all of suffering from losing to the allies in the war. So much poverty and suffering that an evil guy like Hitler walked in and took advantage of the situation and gave the people of Germany false promises that he would fix their country and make them rich again like before the First World War.

      If someone went back and killed Hitler before he was born…..Germany would still be living in poverty and the people still suffering by the time the 1930s rolled around in this new timeline without Hitler, so what if someone else like Hitler in thinking ends up walking into Germany then does the same thing as Hitler and gives the people there in the 1930s false hope then World War 2 ends up happening anyways but with another horrible dictator that may cause the war to happen anyways? Hitler had a lot of generals that served under him in the Second World War that thought and acted alot like him in our timeline…..what is stop any of these guys now that Hitler didn’t exist to rise up and replace him in history as the major villain of World War 2?

      What is to stop Mao, Lennon and Stalin from having one of their disciples that followed their teachings in our timeline to become the replacements for idols in this new timeline where these 3 horrible men were never born like Hitler? I also had this other thought of what if the whole reason Hitler came into power and left his horrid mark in history was because some time traveller from the future had gone back in time and stopped someone from being born who caused World War 2 in his history books but now that whoever they took out wasn’t born….Hitler replaced that guy and that lead to our history where Hitler was the main evil of World War 2?

      What if history has back ups of all their most evil people no matter how many times we may travel back in time to kill one evil historical figures…..another comes in to assume the role? Just something to think about.

       

       

       

      #227397

      Then why not do back and stop Karl Marx from writing The Communist Manifesto.  Then there would not be the idea of communism for Stalin, Mao, Vladimir Lenin to use.

      But as many sci-fi writers of time travel have suggested, the timeline will try to correct itself, or most times over-compensate.

      To expand on your example, we might get a leader in Germany during WWII who listened to his generals and the axis WON WWII.

       

      And the further back in time, the more the effects can be felt today.

      The confederation win the civil war – USA never became a superpower.

      The British Empire never broke up – remained a superpower.

      The renaissance never happened – Europe remained in the dark ages.

      The Roman Empire never fell – Europe never developed into nations/cultures, so a true EU under one rule.

      Babylon never fell.

       

      #227403

      @Legatus_Legionis

      And Dinosaurs never went extinct leading to Humaniod dinosaur people driving cars, living in cities in 2021 dealing with some dinosaur Beerbug epidemic lol 😂😀

      #227543
      DarthVengeant
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        In regard to my #3 of stopping Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Lennon from being born.

        We have no idea what effect that could have. It could cause Germany to become STRONGER and not go through the horror it went though. Sure Germany was poor, but many places WERE poor and came back eventually. Look at Japan and how they bounced back. We don’t know if it would go wrong or right, but it’s a possibility it could go right. If anyone here has watched The Man in the High Castle you’d know what could happen if WW2 went differently.

        One side effect would be that ALL the things invented by the Nazis’, which was frankly a lot, wouldn’t be invented. Which right there changes many things. But in the end I stick by my time change.

        And yes, I’d add karl Marx as well.

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        #227587
        Vknid
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          I am convincing Guillermo del Toro and Ron Pearlman to make the 3rd Hellboy if I have to raise the funds myself! :P

          #227589

          @DarthVengeant

          If you got rid of Stalin, Mao, and Karl Marx, we’d still have Communism since the real inventors of the ideology would still be around. Get rid of Hitler and Germany would most likely be a Communist country given that he was one of the biggest enemies of Communism during his time. In fact, it was the Nazis (ironically) who saved Berlin from heading towards becoming Marxist. 1920s Berlin was pretty much 20th Century Sodom and Gomorrah (or Pompeii which is just as corrupt) and makes modern day NYC look like the Vatican. Seriously, look it up.

          This is why time travel is dangerous. Most people don’t know much of history other than what’s taught in schools (which isn’t the whole truth). You could change one thing and think you’ve made a better future but then things end up not changing much or it gets worse.

          #227602
          Mustangride1
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            @Captain_Cronos

            Could you imagine someone killing Hitler, Then come back to now and find out WW2 KEPT Stalin from taking over all of Europe and Asia unopposed?

            #227606

            @DarthVegeneant @Captain_Chronos

            Captain Chronos is right, and I was trying to tell you Darth Vegeneant that killing Hitler, Mao, Stalin and others like that might not work. You take one of these people out before they are born and they’ll just get replaced by someone or something else like them as the universe has a way of pushing back if you change history. It is like cutting a weed, another one would just rise up to take it’s place but for history.

            And you have think what if we are living in an altered reality right now? What if someone from the year 3000 travelled back to to Germany in the 1800s to kill a guy named Vandal Killar when he was a baby who was the originally the guy who did Hitler’s job of being the bad guy in World War 2 in our timeline but in this original timeline Vandal was the guy running things while Hitler was his second in command?

            The time traveller from the year 3000 had ancestors killed by Vandal Killar and had a bone to pick with Killar then killed Killar when he was just a baby then thought in this new timeline that no one would replace Killar and everything would be fine like World War 2 wouldn’t happen…..but Hitler the man to be Killar’s second in command ended up taking Killar’s place in history and World War 2 happened regardless of who was in charge.

            Killar was the first weed and Hitler was the second weed that replaced him and this situation could’ve happened already and you just don’t know it? We might all be living in a timeline right now altered by some time traveller from the future who altered the events of World War 2 and we just don’t notice?

            Heck if you went back in time and stopped Alexander Graham Bell from inventing the telephone…..someone else would’ve invented it instead of him because according to the history books there were several people besides Alexander Graham Bell at the time who had the idea for the telephone but were too slow or didn’t get the opportunity to invent it before Alexander Graham Bell did. Great minds think alike with the example of Alexander Graham Bell.

            So why wouldn’t evil minds also think alike like Vandal Killar and Hitler?

             

             

            #227713

            @Mustangride1

            We’d be living in Brave New World. It’s already a wonder how it isn’t a Communist Earth after WW2 because teaming up with Stalin was a big mistake. Even Japan almost became like China but some right-wing vigilante assassinated Mao’s puppet live on TV. If it weren’t for him, the whole country would be an arm of China. There probably wouldn’t be a videogame industry past 1985 and our entertainment would have been different. No Geeks & Gamers, no Mario Kart, maybe no Star Wars. That would really suck because most of the stuff I like is from Japan.

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