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    “I tried the Worm web serial, and while I might have been ok with it ten years ago, I feel like its racist tropes are burned out strawmen. White supremacist urban gangs in the US? Really? Where? If that were a continuing thing, the news would be all over it: there’s clearly more demand for white supremacist crimes than supply (otherwise there’d be no need for all the hoaxes).”

    I’ll admit it’s been awhile since I read Worm but I don’t remember any woke propaganda thinking back on the series. The white supremacist gang plans a minor role in the story if I recall. Granted I didn’t have the critical eye for these things back then that I have now.  I would recommend moving past that and continuing with the series. Worm was made before the woke era began so it’s not overt in any anti-white, anti-male, anti-heterosexual messaging that I can remember.


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    Same author that wrote The Darth Bane trilogy in Star Wars, but this is fantasy. He went on to Mass Effect and other things, which is why I think Henry Cavill should choose Mass Effect live action just because I happen to like this author.

    Forgotten Realms is a campaign setting for the Dungeons & Dragons fantasy role-playing game.

    Among the dark streets of the city move thieves and cutthroats. And they don’t like independent operators like Lhasha Moonsliver. But when she hires the town drunk as a bodyguard, she gets more than she bargained for. Together they’ll have to battle the thieves’ guild, the Cult of the Dragon, and other, darker foes. And a fallen man will have to remember the proud warrior he once was.

    In the city of Elversult, a human-elf thief and a crippled ex-warrior find themselves pitted against the Purple Masks, the Cult of the Dragon, and other nefarious foes




    I’m an indy writer and was told in the welcome thread that it would be cool for me to share some of my own work. I have five books available right now, one of them is bronze age fantasy, based more on Mythological and Biblical themes and stories rather than Medieval if you are interested. It’s called the Pit of Baaltaur, about an army that worships a child devouring abomination as a god, threatening to destroy a city. I based a lot of it and things I read about the Sumerians. If you’re looking for a change of pace, please check it out.

    The Pit of Baaltaur.



    I would enjoy Lord of the Rings, however, every tuber that comes here are destroying the Tolkientubers’ algorythm, and you cannot find them


    Most are against diversity, but with how FNT and others are drowning them out, you are actually pushing them to side with Amazon, not because they want to, but because their livelihoods are threatened, and people are no longer able to find even the biggest of them.


    What you are also doing also helps amazon because the normies will look at those against SJWs, even the moderate fans unlikable, and this will actually erode and wipe out LOTR because people will not want to keep the world of Middle Earth alive.


    I would like to plead that if you are against this, stop the videos, and go play the videos and like them, as no one will truly see Amazon’s series, as you are actually encouraging the Tolkientubers, some which have millions of subs, to go watch the series. This will get them to watch this. Most hate diversity, but you are pushing them out.


    This is sabotaging anything Tolkien related in the long.

    What you also need to do, is express concern in a civil way, who also have lots of influence on the topic of LOTR.


    We need to stop bringing it up, as we are doing more advertising for the diversity version of shows. By pushing forth the videos which are unrelated to the show, no one will truly know about it, and the series will die out, in a sea of other shows, to be forgotten, like the Ghostbusters movie with diversity. No one talks about it. It’s been forgotten, yet we still talk about the OG movie.

    By focusing on the older stuff, and pushing the books forward, perhaps reviewing it on the stream without bringing up diversity or SJWs or politics, it would hurt Amazon far more, as no one would be talking about it, and it will garner far less views, and the series will end up cancelled.


    So i implore you, please push the Tolkientubers, as all you are doing is unknowingly and unwillingly advertising the series.


    Yes, because ignoring what Hollywood and the woke mob have been doing to screw with our culture for the past decades has done wonders for us, right?

    “Just ignore them, don’t talk about it and it’ll die down” is not a solid strategy and it should be clear by now.

    Name and shame them, show how ridiculous they are and what they’re doing to destroy our beloved stories – because they’re incapable of producing anything nearly as decent as what we do.


    And no one here hates “diversity”. This is a strawman and it’s overused by whiny lefties. What we’re pissed about is the FORCED insertion of racial and gender dramas into stories where they simply don’t belong and trying to shoehorn races that make no sense. (If all different races that Tolkien so carefully crafted look-alike, then what’s the point in having different races in the first place?)


    New to the group, so I wanted to provide a few options (will try not to post any already recommended).

    Gentleman Bastard Sequence – Fun high fantasy series that is still on going (though his writing speed lately has more closely reflected G.R.R Martin rather than Brandon Sanderson).

    Cradle series – If you are looking for a series that is basically a shounen manga in novel form, this is your go to. 10 books so, and it looks like the series is about to come to an end.

    Expeditionary Force series – A Sci-Fi series spanning 13 books (and still on going) focusing on the military perspective, and it has one of my favorite characters in all of fiction. Skippy the Magnificent! Yes, that’s actually his name. Also, if you do decide to give it a try I highly recommend the audio book version. R.C. Bray, the narrator, does an excellent job bringing the characters and universe to life.

    The Wings of War series – A fairly standard, but still interesting, high fantasy series with the hook being that the main character is basically a Dragonborn (that’s a D&D reference in case you needed to look it up).

    Dawn of Wonder – A fantastic coming of age story with a fantasy setting. Characters, story, word building, and themes are extremely well done. Still waiting for the second book to come out (first book was released before the wokeness really took hold so hopefully the second will stay that way).


    John Gwynne. Just started reading him out of curiosity. Might be posting too soon, but think he is a very good writer.

    The Banished Lands has a violent past where armies of men and giants clashed in battle, but now giants are seen, the stones weep blood, and giant wyrms are stirring. Those who can still read the signs see a threat far greater than the ancient wars. For if the Black Sun gains ascendancy, mankind’s hopes and dreams will fall to dust….

    …and it can never be made whole again.





    Events are coming to a climax in the Banished Lands, as the war reaches new heights. King Nathair has taken control of the fortress at Drassil and three of the Seven Treasures are in his possession. And together with Calidus and his ally Queen Rhin, Nathair will do anything to obtain the remaining Treasures. With all seven under his command, he can open a portal to the Otherworld. Then Asroth and his demon-horde will finally break into the Banished Lands and become flesh.

    Meanwhile Corban has been taken prisoner by the Jotun, warrior giants who ride their enormous bears into battle. His warband scattered, Corban must make new allies if he hopes to survive. But can he bond with competing factions of warlike giants? Somehow he must, if he’s to counter the threat Nathair represents.

    His life hangs in the balance – and with it, the fate of the Banished Lands.




    The cunning Queen Rhin has conquered the west and High King Nathair has the cauldron, most powerful of the seven treasures. At his back stands the scheming Calidus and a warband of the Kadoshim, dread demons of the Otherworld. They plan to bring Asroth and his host of the Fallen into the world of flesh, but to do so they need the seven treasures. Nathair has been deceived but now he knows the truth. He has choices to make, choices that will determine the fate of the Banished Lands.

    Elsewhere the flame of resistance is growing – Queen Edana finds allies in the swamps of Ardan. Maquin is loose in Tenebral, hunted by Lykos and his corsairs. Here he will witness the birth of a rebellion in Nathair’s own realm.

    Corban has been swept along by the tide of war. He has suffered, lost loved ones, sought only safety from the darkness. But he will run no more. He has seen the face of evil and he has set his will to fight it. The question is, how?

    With a disparate band gathered about him – his family, friends, giants, fanatical warriors, an angel and a talking crow he begins the journey to Drassil, the fabled fortress hidden deep in the heart of Forn Forest. For in Drassil lies the spear of Skald, one of the seven treasures, and here it is prophesied that the Bright Star will stand against the Black Sun.




    I’m also an indie author, and I have a sci-fi action adventure thriller that incorporates magical elements and aliens in a futuristic dystopian setting.

    It has a diverse cast in the meaningful sense of the word — as in diversity of opinions, abilities, and backgrounds — instead of superficial identity politics checkboxes, which I can’t stand.

    One could describe it as a hero’s journey, both for the male and female protagonists, who are legitimately strong characters that overcome adversity to grow. There are no Mary Sues here.

    If you like a fast-paced mix of conspiracy and philosophy reminiscent of The Matrix, combined with the epic drama of Star Wars (specifically, as they both used to be), then I think you’ll enjoy it.


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    I’m putting my 2 cents in for The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan.  I started reading it back in the mid 90s and it’s been my favorite since then.   The story has very strong female characters, some of them have their hatred of men as their main character point, but it is not woke.   There is a legitimate reason in the story why they hate men, one that make sense with the world’s lore.


    I would say after reading the first 2 books in Malazan, it’s pretty woke and liberal , but it has some pretty epic shit going on too soo that’s that.


    Raymond Feist:  The Riftwar Saga and the Serpentwar Saga jsut to name a few that others haven’t mentioned. He is a somewhat forgotten author when it comes to fantasy but a good one IMO.


    Out of curiosity, what did you find woke about Malazan?  It’s been while since I’ve read it, but I don’t remember thinking it was woke.


    A combination of BLADE and The Witcher. I enjoyed it.

    Also, had elements of Interview With The Vampire blended with Indiana Jones and Warrior Nun.

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    How about from an Independent author (ok, it is more sci-fi than fantasy):

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    They can be found on Amazon, in paperback or for kindle.



    Thank you for the David Gemmell suggestion. Read all that and it was very good.

    Roger Zelasny was mentioned this morning. Best known for The Chronicles of Amber.

    Roger Zelazny was also a member of the Swordsmen and Sorcerers’ Guild of America (SAGA), a loose-knit group of heroic fantasy authors founded in the 1960s, some of whose works were anthologized in Lin Carter’s Flashing Swords! anthologies.

    Zelazny won at least 16 awards for particular works of fiction: six Hugo Awards, three Nebula Awards, two Locus Awards, one Prix Tour-Apollo Award, two Seiun Awards, and two Balrog Awards – very often Zelazny’s works competed with each other for the same award.


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